acoolusersknee t1_iuev2o4 wrote
It was always going to come to this. Soon enough everyone will be issued some form of online identification at birth and all of your information will be tracked through it.
royisabau5 t1_iuew9so wrote
And of course, we won’t make it public because corporations need to hoard it for themselves
vriska1 t1_iueyuh3 wrote
Thing is the bill and the AV part are so unworkable that it is likely to collapse under its own weight just look at the last age verification law that was delayed over and over again until it was quietly scraped.
Same with the bills from the UK and California.
Traditional-Trip7617 t1_iufh1so wrote
It’ll become an arms race for hackers to get ahold of these “internet social security numbers” and all the data tied to them. Companies who are hiring you will ask you to put them down right next to your ss and run you through a data base
acoolusersknee t1_iufhg8c wrote
Yep, that's the way I see it shaking out. We already have some companies asking to see applicant's social media accounts. Just a matter of time before it becomes standard across the business landscape.
Traditional-Trip7617 t1_iufj1m6 wrote
Some companies? I work in a blue collar industry and they ask me for social media handles at the same rate they ask for my first name
acoolusersknee t1_iufmbhy wrote
Really? That is interesting to hear. Maybe we are further along than I thought.
Psychonuat_Summer t1_iufqjjy wrote
Yeah, I’ve had a few applications ask that I put in any social media handles and that they would be searching for “offensive online behavior” that didn’t “align with the company values” and could hurt their reputation or something.
Idk, to me it just sounded like they were shady af and didn’t want any reason for anyone to be poking around cuz their shit castle would fall down and expose them
DimitriV t1_iugbwkk wrote
Those companies are walking a dangerous path. Applicants who post about any protected status—religion, sexuality, disability, etc.—and don't get hired could sue those companies claiming discrimination. Not to say that they'd win, but the cost of those suits could quickly outweigh any benefits in screening applicants.
choke_da_wokes t1_iuffdy1 wrote
Blockchain for people
acoolusersknee t1_iuffmah wrote
Yeah pretty much
terminalblue t1_iugd2ok wrote
cant wait for that "internet credit score"
DutchieTalking t1_iugpc2o wrote
And at that point I'll renounce the internet.
silkflowers47 t1_iuft1au wrote
You know other countries have identification from birth thats used online right?? Its not the hell hole you imagine but kids actually not being able to view porn
acoolusersknee t1_iuftrlz wrote
I am not aware of any countries that require some form of state ID to get online. I could see China implementing something of the sort but I haven't seen any source that suggests that they do. What countries are you referring to?
silkflowers47 t1_iufu3y2 wrote
Im south korean and we have an identification number for everyone. Websites are actually well regulated with the number. Collecting data works great for korea and tech companies are able to support government regulations and work with them.
acoolusersknee t1_iufyqgi wrote
That is really interesting. How does it work exactly? Do you enter your number when you first open a web browser or is it a per website thing?
From the outside looking in it seems like the South Korean government cares a lot more about its citizens than the US government does. An online identification system may work in South Korea but I don't think there would be any consumer protections implemented in the US if such an identification system was implemented. Of course this is just my opinion and I don't have anything to back it up besides what I see going in the country.
dmintz t1_iug2ljh wrote
The South Korean Government has had tons of scandals recently about being directly in bed with Samsung etc.
Throwawayingaccount t1_iug3cvv wrote
> How does it work exactly? Do you enter your number when you first open a web browser or is it a per website thing?
It's a per website thing, or at least it was ~10 years ago.
This lead to something -INCREDIBLY- stupid.
South Korea is where a -LOT- of MMOs start.
So... there became a market for Korean SSNs, purely so you can play video games.
I am 100% serious. The leading reason for using someone else's identity in South Korea is to play video games.
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Poltras t1_iuf1v4r wrote
I’m going to be a bit /r/UnpopularOpinion here and state that age should be verified and exposed all over the place on the internet. Names, gender/associations, etc could all be hidden or anonymous and I’d be happy, but we should force every users on social media to disclose their age (or at least a few choices, like teenage, YA, etc).
My discussions here and on many other platforms would be way healthier if I knew I’m taking to a 12 year old or a 40 year old.
Edit: I was expecting the downvotes but if you guys wanna start a discussion instead I’d be much more appreciative.
acoolusersknee t1_iuf33lx wrote
So the problem I see is the only way to verify age is via some form of identification. That identification is going to be stored and sold whether the website admits to it or not. You shouldn't expect to have a quality discussion with anyone on the internet until they display that they are capable of having one.
685327593 t1_iufc1oj wrote
Exactly. Only way to verify age is to verify identity. The two can't be separated.
Uristqwerty t1_iug996y wrote
Pretty much everyone has a phone, right? And pretty much every phone has a TPM that can store cryptographic keys and self-destruct rather than ever let them leak, right? So, you need two keys: One proof-of-age key that's the same for everyone, perhaps generated fresh each month by the government, for which simply having access to the key says that you're over the threshold and nothing more. Then, a unique-to-you key generated by your phone that is only used once a month on a fixed date to fetch the latest proof-of-age key. Setting that one up may require visiting a government office in-person once to verify your identity. Then, everyone over 18 in a single nation looks alike to the websites asking for your identity. To ensure they don't sneakily swap out the proof key for targeted individuals, each month's public half would be made public, for all users and websites alike to see. Perhaps have the TPM verify a fingerprint or face match before unlocking the proof key.
And if that's a scheme that a cryptography amateur can come up with in minutes, based on a high-level understanding of TPMs and SSL certificates, imagine what someone who properly understands M-of-N secret sharing, zero-knowledge proofs, and all sorts of other clever mathematical tools could do, given months to refine their design and peers to identify and help correct flaws all along the way!
KonChaiMudPi t1_iufekys wrote
This is the biggest problem, and this is entirely why I’m against it. Either A.) Your age cannot be rigidly/effectively verified, because it’s a gameable system, or B.) Your age is directly tied to information that is far too personal to disclose in this way.
As an aside, a big problem with this proposed system is that exposing minors online as minors makes them even bigger targets for exploitation, all while someone who manages to impersonate a young person is given the perfect sheep’s-clothing to do it in. It is an extremely dangerous concept.
Bhraal t1_iufuqvd wrote
> all while someone who manages to impersonate a young person is given the perfect sheep’s-clothing to do it in. It is an extremely dangerous concept.
If the system is based on positively identifying someone as a minor I can totally see someone having/getting access to the credentials of their own or a relative's kids and using that to set up a profile. Hell, if they are controlling enough they could probably use a kids actual account and pressuring them to stay silent.
On the other end parents let their guard down because they believe everyone else their kid can interact with is verified.
KonChaiMudPi t1_iufxf3z wrote
> On the other end parents let their guard down because they believe everyone else their kid can interact with is verified.
This is the biggest problem even today with online safety is parents who don’t take accountability for protecting their kids. With the current state of the internet, it needs to be treated a lot like a public place. Would you let your young children just free roam in public and interact with whoever with no supervision?
It’s challenging because I see both sides of that conversation, I’ve been a minor who often felt monitored, and who escaped into online communities, and it is important that kids can have some sense of privacy. In a broad sense though, I think parents still need to be aware of roughly how their children spend their time online and roughly who they are interacting with.
I’ve seen a few different stories lately about parents suing major tech companies because their children got hurt by people online or through an online platform. I understand the desire to lash out in a challenging situation but the truth is as a parent you need to be responsible for protecting your children online, because the world won’t do it for you.
[deleted] t1_iufiffd wrote
Agreed, I am against this as well. This doesn't have to be inevitable, we can fight against it, and we will.
leopard_tights t1_iufdpzh wrote
You set up a trusted partner (like with the new passkeys) that verifies that you're of age, or over X years old, not the exact number. And that's it. Easy peasy lemon squeasy.
JackIsBackWithCrack t1_iuf3554 wrote
You’re an advertiser’s best friend!
Poltras t1_iuf41iq wrote
That’s okay. The best advertisers can already figure it out just by listing your comment history.
Mikatron3000 t1_iuf33g2 wrote
I think showing if someone was over 18 or not would be better than showing their full age imo
UrbanGhost114 t1_iufdi8y wrote
Please look up the book Common Sense, written by Thomas Paine, originally written and published anonymously.
There is no free speach without anonymous speach.
Makenchi45 t1_iufkmhs wrote
So flaw in that is this, IP address is kinda easy to get if the person belonging to it doesn't use a VPN or know how to set up a dynamic IP with their ISP. Having ages listed for the world to see allows someone to see that a person lives at that IP address with that age and can be traced to a physical address. Hell it wouldn't even be a stretch to say predators could use that to their advantage to find new victims regardless of what they plan to do.
COBE1 t1_iuf3fz9 wrote
Only if social media was regulated like a bank or hospital. With all the privacy and data control requirements.
conquer69 t1_iugmegx wrote
What difference does it make? We already have 30yo with the mental and emotional intelligence of a 13yo.
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