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RealRiotingPacifist t1_irhm9ou wrote
That's pretty much the same as US law, and EU law then?
SuperSecretAgentMan t1_irhmerk wrote
The difference is that the Chinese government asks for it literally every day on a second-by-second basis.
It's a data farming app. That's why it exists.
RealRiotingPacifist t1_irhmk4a wrote
whereas the NSA just breaks in and takes it, every day.
Most of the internet is data farming.
Peepeepoopoocheck127 t1_irhml4p wrote
Look up the penetrum research they proved this years ago
prankster959 t1_irhmmsw wrote
Thanks for a paywalled article can't read it
digital_russ t1_irhmuf4 wrote
Is this a question?
Important-Owl1661 t1_irhn1ks wrote
If this bothers you go check all the ATMs in your neighborhood I would say something like 90% of them are made/owned by the Chinese.
Want to fuck with America big time? Shut off ATM access through the back door you built in
Willinton06 t1_irhq6lp wrote
Yeah that’ll never happen, that would be a war declaration
Willinton06 t1_irhqa64 wrote
TikTok will fade, as all social media does, but tencent is a bit more dangerous
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relearningsales t1_irhs6sf wrote
Not really. Lots of products from well known companies like Apple is made in China.
random_shitter t1_irhsze7 wrote
Who controls Facebook? Meta unable to allay global fears over US state influence and data access
random_shitter t1_irht1f0 wrote
Shush! No mirrors allowed when Chinabashing!
Torifyme12 t1_irhw7p5 wrote
Cool, I'd still rather have an agency we can control to some degree vs a foreign power we have no influence over.
random_shitter t1_irhzgx1 wrote
Me as a European: those 2 piles of shit smell exactly the same.
AliceVerron t1_iri06do wrote
Its literally a data funnel for the chinese government to spy on the rest of the world, then again almost any social media app is a data syphon for either a government or corporation, so do with that info what you will, but i would heavily recommend getting off as much social media outlets as possible
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reflyer t1_iri1lwb wrote
you sure you can control the spy，
not the spy control you
zaque_wann t1_iri2gue wrote
For me Chinese influence is no good because we share the same waters. US is a bit fine since they're far away, and they're busy with games in the middle east anyways.
No_Firefighter5082 t1_iri2m2s wrote
Kidding yourselves if you think the government doesn’t have full access
youre_a_pretty_panda t1_iri2zo8 wrote
Absolutely not. In a constitutional democracy with an independent judiciary you can challenge ANY state action and you CAN actually win. The constitution is the Supreme law of the land, if a court rules against the state then the state must comply or the government officials who refuse will face criminal penalties.
In China there is no independent judiciary. According to Chinse law the CCP is the ultimate authority. A Chinese court cannot order the government to do anything and if a judge did somehow lose their mind and attempt to go against the government then they wouldn't be a judge for long.
So no, it's not the same. In the US and EU companies often challenge government requests for information and they actually win. In China that's impossible.
No-Sock-9684 t1_iri50f9 wrote
One party you’re talking about vowed to keep up our safety and democracy in Europe while the other party you’re talking about completely hates the western world we’re living in. There’s a clear difference
fatpat t1_iri5c4r wrote
Irapotato t1_iri6kxo wrote
You think we control the NSA hahahahaha. Who the fuck is “we”? The entire criminal “intelligence” community is unelected.
MrQew t1_iri7i5v wrote
Sounds like someone wants an excuse to keep TikTok installed. It's also literally making people depressed when not on the app.
xELxSCORCHOx t1_irico22 wrote
Really more then anything this highlights the absolute need for the Rule of Law. The NSA violated the law spying on Americans. Hopefully it has therefor ended, but who can be sure? If we, the American public, had imparted the demand for the Rule of Law in no uncertain terms on our elected officials, we could be sure.
Instead, we have separated ourselves into tribes that will put up with a little bullshit if it helps our side or disadvantaged the other side. As a result we get the corruption in government that we deserve, because we show ourselves to be at least somewhat corrupt as a society.
No_Firefighter5082 t1_irifkfo wrote
I’ve worked in a number of large corporates and every time we had to deploy anything in country it had to go through their telecom provider and it couldn’t be above a certain encryption strength.
contextswitch t1_iripfw2 wrote
China would discover how few people still use cash. It would be a week of minor inconvenience for some and a big collective yawn for everyone else.
random_shitter t1_irj44l2 wrote
Yeah sure, all for the lovely price of some economic warfare and industrial espionage. Who could disagree with that??
Fpr example: https://www.glimpsefromtheglobe.com/topics/economics/explaining-airbus-boeing-rivalry
Edit: I also know of no active hostilities from China towards the West. They complain about our meddling but I can't blame then for that.
If the USA would keep to their own as China does, USA wouldn't be known as warmongers.
Torifyme12 t1_irj7nkf wrote
Do we need to get into how much the French spy on us? Or can we just acknowledge that the level of rivalry between Airbus and Boeing isn't the same?
Torifyme12 t1_irj7ru0 wrote
Yes?
Gen Alexander was fired and replaced, I can't do the same to Winnie.
ms4720 t1_irjquud wrote
Different from just giving the government clear text in realtime
RealRiotingPacifist t1_irjrkrl wrote
Not really, just pointing out that it's just no different to other social media, it just gets this reaction on here because "Chyyyna bad"
RealRiotingPacifist t1_irjtg5o wrote
The American public regularly makes clear demands for stuff, they are ignored, the US hasn't been a democracy for a long time.
When the CIA can kill presidents allow presidents to be killed, swing elections & install their own (former) agent as president, they are in charge not the public.
Important-Owl1661 t1_irjvrl1 wrote
Yeah, that's why there are people lined up at the ATMs every Friday and Saturday night and on Sundays
xELxSCORCHOx t1_irjwg8t wrote
Lol. Is this you Alex Jones? Instead of pretending to be powerless you should try to help out.
AMirrorForReddit t1_irk55d3 wrote
Including reddit
[deleted] t1_irk5e60 wrote
Yea, i just dont want the Chinese government to have full access
[deleted] t1_irk5hlz wrote
if a business achieves a certain level of success in China, it becomes mandatory to have CCP officials on the board of the company
AMirrorForReddit t1_irk5l4g wrote
It scares me to think about people taking your opinion on this matter seriously.
RealRiotingPacifist t1_irk8tpv wrote
I am powerless when it comes to the federal government, I focus my energy locally, where things aren't quite as fucked.
In terms of privacy, if it's stored on a server I don't own, I assume the NSA can get the info if they want, it's just that I'm not interesting enough for them to bother, it's not like the FISA courts wouldn't approve it.
No_Firefighter5082 t1_irkd6gt wrote
Understand although what’s so controversial about the information in TikTok? Maybe look at things like alibaba, wish, or even our energy suppliers. Pretty sure that information is more important given you provide PII. As soon as I bought something from wish.com they also on sold my info to scammer dbs - how do I know? I misspelt my name on purpose and that’s what they were referring to me as.
No_Firefighter5082 t1_irkirnn wrote
Not much different. Although expect face book etc to be the same
chaddaddycwizzie t1_irkj952 wrote
How so? I’ve only heard of tencent in passing and don’t know much about it, other than having just looked it up and realized they’re massive
Willinton06 t1_irkjddj wrote
Almost every kid in the American continent has one of their apps on their phone / parents phone, fuckers are massive
ms4720 t1_irksvba wrote
Massively different. If it is shown that a case in the US has no lawful biases the entire thing can be dismissed for lack of evidence and all the evidence gathered is tainted and can't be used.
DamonFields t1_irkt32h wrote
Too creepy for me.
[deleted] t1_irkukqp wrote
>Understand although what’s so controversial about the information in TikTok?
To my understanding, they get access to your whole phone, including messages not sent on Tiktok
No_Firefighter5082 t1_irkyymx wrote
Privacy is dead or dying
ms4720 t1_irpdnsy wrote
And western Europe would be a Soviet satellite set of states
ms4720 t1_irpdtzp wrote
WeChat is an investor
random_shitter t1_irql0s3 wrote
"if I didn't beat up my wife her next partner would, so stop complaining."
Perfect argument, nobody can disagree with that...
jaybazzizzle t1_irhgnt6 wrote
'Made in China' is synonymous with 'Owned by China'