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dntwrybtityo t1_irp6rpa wrote

Yea, if they are forced to. They are one of the worst if not the worst for making things proprietary

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momo88852 t1_irp9n6d wrote

It’s because they gonna be forced to.

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GroceryRobot t1_irp9ood wrote

I’m curious what they’ll do. They make different models for china when it comes to the SIM card configurations. Maybe they’ll make a USB-C version only for EU and everyone else will get the lightning.

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Enem- t1_irp9qjf wrote

It won’t be long before they come up with a video saying they’re doing this for the planet and definitely not being forced to lol

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Jupiters t1_irpa10s wrote

I wonder if the people in the comments here agree they are being forced to?

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Fine-Art-6048 t1_irpaaed wrote

They should be legally mandated to do so in the US, following in the steps of Europe. Apple is responsible for significant tech waste by using new / unique charging hardware; the cost of which is borne by taxpayers $$ & health of our environment.

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HungryLikeTheWolf99 t1_irpafu5 wrote

That's plenty of time for them to come up with a new proprietary standard.

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seasesh t1_irpcaeo wrote

Replying to dntwrybtityo (#66,694)

Oh wow I can already see the key note:

"After years of development, Apple is the proud invator of a new connector. Never to be seen before, done better."

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CyberJokerWTF t1_irpcwis wrote

It is still baffling to me that the latest Airpods pro 2 came with a lightning connector when they know quite well that next year nothing else will be using a Lightning connecter.

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Lbox777 t1_irpfb78 wrote

Yeah and I cleaned my room as a 5th grader because I wanted to and had no outside influences making me do so in anyway whatsoever.

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BasedAutoJanny t1_irpfqag wrote

Now, thanks to Apple, your poor Android owning homeless friend can borrow your vastly superior Apple charger.

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Spanishparlante t1_irpfwpq wrote

They’ll probably do a “surprise” hey look! No ports at all! Move and circumvent these rules.

“We don’t have any cables anymore. It’s all wireless, but we have a wireless dongle that works especially well with our devices” sort of a thing.

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THENATHE t1_irpg5p0 wrote

Replying to Fine-Art-6048 (#66,866)

Except for the fact that I have been using the same lightning cable for years on my old iphone, ipad, and new iphone. But when I got my Pixel 2XL I needed a new set of cables.

Sure, if every single device is on USBC it will be great, but how many old school holdouts are there gonna be for lightning? My dad is still using a 6s plus, my mom an iphone xr. They won’t upgrade for YEARS. So it’s not like lightning is gonna go away for like 3+ years MINIMUM

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DeepTh0tt t1_irphnsy wrote

"Apple could catch up with the tech the rest of the world was using years and years and years ago by 2024".

Ok. I'm sure it'll take at least 2 years for them to replicate the world standard we've all been using for years.

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ERRORMONSTER t1_irpnjso wrote

I still stand by that Apple won't actually put USB-C on their devices. They'll either force them to charge wirelessly or design a new lightning hyper-charge capable cable that can do 101 watts.

Either of these will exempt them from the EU law and allow for proprietary charging methods (proprietary wireless charging protocol or the lightning 101W connector)

Edit: you're welcome to be mad about it, but like... read the text of the law then point out where I'm wrong and where Apple will happily give up their $4 per lightning connector royalty fee

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djdsf t1_irpp9to wrote

They SHOULD since they are being forced to.

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mredofcourse t1_irpsbeo wrote

To everyone saying, "duh, because they're being force to". Yes, of course, but...

The EU requirement if signed into law by the end of the year, is that new products released by the end of 2024 must be USB-C. Apple could use lightning for the iPhone 15 and iPhone 16 along with any accessories through 2024. They wouldn't need to switch until the iPhone 17 in the Fall of 2025 (assumptions in naming conventions aside) and could still sell existing products at that time with Lightning indefinitely.

Gurman is saying that Apple is going to transition sooner than the mandate requires, and that 2023 will be the year of transition.

I tend to agree with that, and also think that Apple will lean into it with marketing when it comes to the iPhone 15 by promoting that they are using faster data and charging protocols.

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thejakeev t1_irptb7d wrote

To quote Lizzo: “it’s about damn time”

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excelbae t1_irq50p2 wrote

Replying to Enem- (#66,835)

I can already imagine scrolling through the product page: “Game changer”, “Closing the gap”, “Unifying the charging experience across all your devices”, and so on.

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ERRORMONSTER t1_irq55gv wrote

Replying to DanielPhermous (#68,226)

As long as it doesn't charge by cable, then they can freely use a lightning cable to transfer files. That just makes the second option more likely.

Or honestly, gigabit is pretty standard now for wireless

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nviledn5 t1_irq6pmj wrote

Replying to CyberJokerWTF (#67,018)

Is it really all that baffling on that product if the iPhone is still on Lightning?

Like both should be Type C, but as long as the iPhone has Lightning, AirPods will naturally.

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JDpoZ t1_irq7drg wrote

Replying to excelbae (#68,287)

Best case scenario is that Apple feels like they need to own the forced change and instead of just USB-C, they actually upgrade to some form of Thunderbolt 4 (which also happens to be shaped the same / is compatible with USB-C) and pretend they did it for innovation’s sake.

This would still allow Apple to sell their expensive cables and flip a long-overdue forced adaptation to an actual improvement since Thunderbolt 4 is so goddamn fast.

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ethervillage t1_irqdwn3 wrote

Thanks EU! We (US) are no longer capable of getting things like this accomplished in our Oligarchy.

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leoquem t1_irqfcxs wrote

Can't they prioritize it? How hard is this compared to making a new iphone?

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Norn-Iron t1_irqi25d wrote

What are the odds of apple creating a better cable and lobbying the EU to use their new lightning 2 electric boogaloo cables?

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Barroux t1_irqimie wrote

Replying to ERRORMONSTER (#67,595)

Apple would still get their MFi program money if they switch to USB-C. Apple can't switch to another physical cable, it would need to be USB-C. USB-C is better anyway.

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misatillo t1_irqjn2r wrote

Almost everything except for AirPods and iPhones use usb-c since long time ago. I never understood why they kept Lightning on those

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asdaaaaaaaa t1_irqkj9c wrote

Replying to dntwrybtityo (#66,694)

They basically run the "trump method", just in business. So long as you advertise enough that you're the "good guys", enough people will believe whatever you tell them.

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Obliterators t1_irqm677 wrote

Replying to ERRORMONSTER (#67,595)

>They'll either force them to charge wirelessly or design a new lightning hyper-charge capable cable that can do 101 watts.

>Either of these will exempt them from the EU law and allow for proprietary charging methods (proprietary wireless charging protocol or the lightning 101W connector)

>Edit: you're welcome to be mad about it, but like... read the text of the law then point out where I'm wrong and where Apple will happily give up their $4 per lightning connector royalty fee

Did you read the text? There is no 101W exemption in the directive.

>In so far as they are capable of being recharged by means of wired charging, —, shall: be equipped with the USB Type-C receptacle... > In so far as they are capable of being recharged by means of wired charging at voltages higher than 5 Volts, currents higher than 3 Amperes or powers higher than 15 Watts, —, shall: incorporate the USB Power Delivery...

The lawmakers acknowledge in the text that Type-C and USB PD have room to grow and that the newly updated USB PD already does 240W, that why they didn't write such exemptions.

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Cyan-Eyed452 t1_irqnsqn wrote

Replying to THENATHE (#67,194)

>My dad is still using a 6s plus, my mom an iphone xr. They won’t upgrade for YEARS.

So you've outlined that not only have apple been a nuisance with their proprietary hardware up until now, it will continue to be a nuisance even after they introduce USB-C.

Perhaps they should have stuck with a standard from the start like every other manufacturer.

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QwertzOne t1_irqovn6 wrote

Replying to wedontlikespaces (#68,817)

>Apple invented USB C

It takes few seconds to verify that as false statement. Apple was one of the companies that contributed to standard, they worked on USB-C connector, you may say that they were major contributor to USB-C, but they did not "invented USB-C".

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Frooonti t1_irqpyv6 wrote

Replying to Enem- (#66,835)

Just like how Apple's cases are almost fully made out of recycled aluminum: Sounds so green but doing the opposite would be stupid given that recycling aluminum is much cheaper than sourcing "new" stuff.

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Lucigirl4ever t1_irqtrrp wrote

coulda, woulda, shoulda. now, gota.

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DanielPhermous t1_irqymxo wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#69,154)

It's a niche. People who take photos in HDR and video in 4K 60fps or whatever it goes up to. Anything short of a cable is just too damned slow.

But Apple has an iPhone Pro and this is a pro use, so we need the port to support it.

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THENATHE t1_irs24cq wrote

Replying to Cyan-Eyed452 (#68,892)

Lightning was MILES ahead of micro USB. Just because they decided to keep their “good enough” connector a bit longer than they should have isn’t a cardinal sin. My point was that MANY people already have plenty of lightning stuff because they already have iPhones. If a charger breaks and they need a new one, from a waste perspective, it doesn’t matter if it’s lightning or USBC, it’s still 1 cable thrown away and one new one made.

Not many people have like 2000 cables like everyone seems to insinuate. I have plenty of devices that use USBC and one that uses lightning and I have like 10 cables total.

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CaseFace5 t1_irse7z2 wrote

I hate to say it but I prefer the lightning port to USB-C but I get making them adhere to a standard.

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bannacct56 t1_irsfxkc wrote

I guess it depends if they want to sell anything in Europe or not, if they do it has to be USB c

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gizamo t1_irtm19r wrote

Replying to erarem_ (#67,073)

It's the typical Apple marketing scheme. It ensures there is a clear, visible distinction between old and new Apple products. That helps the cult members shame others about having old tech, which increases Apple sales.

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