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thune123 t1_iunueoz wrote

As a lefty I think Tiktoks ties to China are super dangerous. I have avoided the platform for that reason. I agree Zuck has also made some shady deals and should have some level of restrictions on what he does with metas data. But to ignore Tiktok and the damage China can do with it just because the right doesn't like it is so petty and short sighted.

Also to say nobody cared until the trump incident is just ignorant. Tiktok has been a huge red flag since it blew up and people looked at the backend coding.

Also stop making this a left vs right issue. This is a nation vs nation issue and figuring out what influences should and shouldn't be allowed that have direct ties to other countries. Especially during a time where we are entering a technology cold war with China.

Hell, I could even argue this is exactly what China would want and how they can use tik tok to make it happen. Have people believe that Tik Tok is only an issue for the right and if you're on the left you should be all for Tik Tok. Which is pretty ridiculous if you really think about what you are arguing for.


pontiacfirebird92 t1_iunwwq1 wrote

I think you misunderstood my point. TikTok and Facebook are cut from the same cloth and have the same issues. And I'm in agreement with you because there's some shady shit going on with TikTok which is why I also don't and won't get an account.

The problem is when you have a population of people who single out TikTok while forgiving other platforms that are as bad simply because they are critical of their favored politician. After the Trump rally incident he spoke out against TikTok and at that point it became a solid "left vs right" issue (like many of the normally non-partisan things Trump attacked with his rhetoric). Meanwhile Facebook was allowing straight-up right wing propaganda on its platform but that same crowd happily overlooked it. Call me ignorant but, like the Colin Kaepernick kneeling issue, it didn't have an uproar until Trump tweeted about it. And the uproar was clearly from the right-wing crowd. Again like the Colin Kaepernick issue it shouldn't be a "left vs right" issue but it is. Centered around Trump's ire at TikTok for messing up his rally.


thune123 t1_iuo0d0q wrote

It's only a left vs right issue if that is the way you view it. I am pretty confident that most people have no idea that there is any left vs right augments when it comes to tik tok. Honestly, I had forgotten about the trump incident until you mentioned in your previous comment. I think you would be surprised by how removed the average person is from the online news cycle and political positionings that you see on news sites and social media. Of course the right is a more tribe based and tend to just believe whatever they are fed but I have never seen any pro tik tok right based protests or the left saying we should keep tik tok purely based on the rightwing distain for it. I could be wrong but I think you are over estimating how righteous people feel about tik tok based on their political affiliations.

I don't think I misunderstood your point, I was just arguing that on the larger scale, the issue isn't platform vs platform but nation vs nation. If tok-tok was run by Canada I would have way less of an issue with it. Usa and China are currently in a technological cold war. There is a reason Biden just put a ban on certain type of chips being sent to China. It is because we are in an information war. Tik tok is very powerful tool in the in regards to that. At least with Facebook the government has some sort of power over the company. With Tok-tok they can't do much besides ban it out right.


paceminterris t1_iuq34mu wrote

Congrats, you just let yourself get used by the US establishment propaganda machine. You can't really call yourself a "lefty" when your foreign policy opinions are directly given to you by the capitalist, warmongering establishment that holds both the Democrats AND Republicans in it's pocket.


thune123 t1_iuqd8b9 wrote

Alright bud. I will live in my capitalist, warmongering US establishment propaganda machine and you go live in China. Let me know how that utopia of freedom goes.