If my car isn't rattling like a maraca it's not fun

When did ever electric mean boring? I think almost every electric car out there is quite fun to drive owing to their instant response and usually plenty of power.

If we are not building and buying overwhelmingly electric cars, it is for other reasons. Not at all because they are not quite fun.

People with outdated bias are boring. It even annoys me that they miss the "vroom vroom" noise as to being the main reason why they don't want to deal nor touch EV cars.

I wanna go faster than the old ICE, EV is the way to go.

Not going to lie, I'll miss the sound of an ICE when EV's are standard. Even if EV's have better performance, ICE cars will always feel more powerful.

I'm sure EVs will solve the problems of unsustainable traffic and sprawl.

The battery technology has not gotten to were it needs to be and more nuclear reactors for power, since the other "green" technology is still lacking.

How sustainable is EV compared to fossil fuel?

Fun doesn't come from power and acceleration my dude. It's a different thing, difficult to put into words.

Why are you assuming that a simple preference is a bias?

The decision has been made, EVs are the future, so it's not like these people are obstructing progress or stopping you from buying a toy.

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You do realize this is your preference, not everyone's?

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not sustainable at all. You need 30 years driving an electric car just to offset the harm of creating one.

Feel, but EVs leave ICE in the dust. If you really wanted you could artificially introduce some rumble, kind of like how they artificially increase noise to warn pedestrians. But ICE is dead for so many good reasons.

Edit: Just to add, as someone who's lived in cities most of my life, I will not miss the constant roar of cars. Such a nuisance.

Even if our power plants ran on gasoline, it would be more efficient to generate power in one place rather than in millions of tiny power plants.

And that is your preference, not everyone else’s….

The important thing though is that it can be offset eventually. Not so with a fossil fuel car. A fossil fuel car will never offset the harm from producing and running it no matter how many decades you drive it.

Agreed. They do help though.

What is my preference? I never stated mine.

of course not, because in 30 years the vast majority will have purchased newer models. No company can survive selling cars once every 30 years.

I think it's pretty obvious that both my comment and what I am replying to are two different subjective views of the word "fun".

But how well do these handle at speed? Aren't they typically very heavy?

It was boring 20 years ago when electric meant golf cart performance. Tesla changed this. Older people (who conceivably wrote the article and who design cars and who run car companies that aren't Tesla) haven't caught up and still think of modern electric cars the same way they did when they were 16. Basic entry-level Ubers now beat Corvettes, we live in a different era where EVs are already the preferred rich person car and not a weird hippie thing.

[Just to note I did a life cycle analysis of EV’s as they compare to a standard ICE (Internal Combustion Engine) vehicle in college of 2019. This comment is from memory and quick google searching as I can’t find my original paper and the info would be out if date anyway.]

Even if you look at EVs solely from the energy perspective they are more sustainable than a standard ICE vehicle simply because the energy from the grid is more efficiently produced than an ICE engine when powered by 100% fossil fuels. There is also regenerative breaking in an EV which can help recover energy that an ICE can’t get back. The only real problem with this is that EVs force us to improve the grid to provide a much higher energy capacity than normal. This would greatly decrease our dependence on fossil fuels and allow for increased renewable energy since you literally have no choice for an ICE but you can choose to go solar at home and power your car solely from that.

In terms of materials it depends on how you analyze the sustainability of the materials. By that I mean it depends on if you are looking at the current issues versus the possible future recyclability by the time an EV purchased today would need to be replaced. The two worst offenders for EVs are the batteries and the DC (Direct current) motors. We have AC (Alternating current) motors though and DC motors are only really “bad”because they use rare earth magnets to function (which are only “recyclable” if they are completely undamaged and even a scratch can damage them making them unusable for an EV) while AC motors use large copper windings and more electricity than DC motors. Lithium in new car batteries is almost 100% mined (not sure of the actual number as it was 100% in 2019 and I can’t find a source for how much of the lithium in new vehicles come from recycled Lithium) and not recycled because companies that have started to recycle Lithium are new. There has been progress towards newer battery materials that are more sustainable such as salt based batteries (table salt, aluminum, and sulfur are the materials for used this battery). The technology is newer (2022) and therefore more expensive since there isn’t currently any company that makes batteries like this and the researchers now hold a patent on it.

I think its important to remember EVs are a newer technology and their sustainability has a huge potential for growth. Replacing Lithium or implementing large scale Lithium recycling would make EVs significantly more sustainable than ICE vehicles.

I for one am waiting for more affordable, "boring" EVs.

Username checks out.

Go to a racing event or some car related places, you will notice what people will say about EV. More noticeably by the older crowd, though.

Stop spreading bullshits.

https://www.npr.org/2022/04/14/1092806582/wind-power-energy-source

Decades ago, a Datsun with sump pump motor blew the doors off every quarter-mile drag racer and got EVs banned from NHRA drag racing; so they formed their own, the NEDRA . The handwriting has been on the wall for a long time.

There will be a bunch of tough guys with vibrators under the seats of their EVs in 10 years

Teslas playbook 15 years ago