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heyimjason t1_iyd3xp1 wrote

Reply to comment by Badfickle in Competitors chip away at Tesla's US electric vehicle share by Sorin61

Save that comment and look at it again in a couple of years. Tesla is going to start declining pretty rapidly. The only way it'll possibly survive is to get Elon out from behind the reins and let someone that actually knows how to run a company take charge.

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ThestralDragon t1_iyee9md wrote

He's been running it since 2008, when they were selling less than 1000 a year, they sold almost a million in 2021, what metrics will you use to judge this hypothetical 'knows how to run a company' successor

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heyimjason t1_iyf2643 wrote

There’s quite a bit to it, but that is a bold question considering what is happening to Twitter at the moment.

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ThestralDragon t1_iyf4b9x wrote

It's not really a bold question, sure he's running twitter into the ground, overestimated his own competence( believing his own hype) going Into the twitter bid, that doesn't mean Tesla has not been a success under him.

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heyimjason t1_iyf5bl2 wrote

Elon has a history of jumping into young companies at the right time and riding that momentum. That had also previously given him clout, so that his investments were blindly followed by other investors on name recognition alone. But considering what he’s done with crypto and Twitter and how he’s running his personnel and so on, his name is starting to have the opposite effect and people want to get away. Elon isn’t some brilliant leader or inventor. He’s an investor with a simple physics degree.

Tesla was bound to take off, and I’d argue that it would be a lot further along if Musk had just invested and not interfere with shit.

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Badfickle t1_iydhvbn wrote

Decline on what metric? Their production and sales have risen by 50% for 3 years running. They have two gigantic factories just beginning to ramp production meaning they will continue to increase production by 50% for at least the next 3 years. They have two new product lines coming in the next 6 months.

What has happened is though is that Tesla has gone from the underdog upstart to an existential threat to several markets. Hence the astroturfing and the divorcing from reality in this sub.

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Geiseric222 t1_iydzhan wrote

This is dumb their car quality has gone down and then there is the auto pilot shit. That and all the recalls.

I get when it comes to things you like words like astroturfing or whatever bullshit are attractive but you have to accept one thing. Tesla will always be the toys of the upper middle class and nothing more

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Bensemus t1_iyeh5no wrote

> That and all the recalls.

Yet they issued less than half the number of recalls Ford has and Ford is supposedly one of those experience car makers yet they can't figure out how to install spark plugs.

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heyimjason t1_iydj1kh wrote

Yeah, you really, really need to think long-term. Big growth for a couple of years doesn’t mean it’s going to last. Tesla having a couple of factories and a couple of upcoming products (not that they deliver on those promises) doesn’t mean shit when you consider that soon people are going to have all kinds of EV options from Ford, GM, VW, and pretty much every other big player in the auto industry. And they’re going to deliver vehicles with much better quality control and much lower prices. Tesla is fucked.

And that’s all before even mentioning that many folks won’t buy from anti-union companies, or that people won’t buy from Tesla simply because Musk is a huge tool, or because Tesla treats its workers like shit.

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dixadik t1_iyesq3g wrote

> they will continue to increase production by 50%

supply sider bs

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moofunk t1_iye083p wrote

I agree with the last sentence, but the first sentence has been written so many times over since 2010, I've lost count.

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