Submitted by Additional-Two-7312 t3_yq1q1h in technology
Spirited-Doughnut520 t1_ivmg2ed wrote
Reply to comment by _willymydilly in Tesla Recalls 40,000 Vehicles Over Potential Power Steering Failure by Additional-Two-7312
It’s funny how many recalls they have versus other manufacturers. I never once had to get a “software update” for my Toyotas, OTA or at the dealer
Rodiruk t1_ivmjv3x wrote
Lucky you. I can tell you it happens to the other manufacturers as well, from first hand experience. Except when it does, you gotta take the car to a dealership instead of just doing it at home.
rasvial t1_ivmwxy6 wrote
You're missing the point- why is their software shipped out so eagerly requiring recalls? It's great it's a software fix, but how many miles were affected Tesla's driving around with that?
Rodiruk t1_ivmx8i2 wrote
No, you're missing the point.
The point is, this stuff happens to ALL companies. This is not exclusive to Tesla. Yet we only see posts about Tesla on this site.
I literally have a power steering column recall with my car that is not a Tesla. But since it's not a Tesla, you don't hear about it.
My wife's car has an issue with the transmission where you weren't really in park even when you put it in park.
I also have a bug with the dash requiring a software update. But I gotta bring it in to the dealer to get it updated.
rasvial t1_ivmxg18 wrote
You're on a tech subreddit. What would you expect?
Rodiruk t1_ivmxlie wrote
Ah so other cars have no firmware or software in them, got it.
rasvial t1_ivmxrsj wrote
Calm down, replying doesn't require a downvote.
Pull the stats on software related recalls then? It's one thing having a wonky volume knob, another losing steering. Software related recalls (or even headaches) come up on here all the time- I recall a lot around bmw seats for example.
Rodiruk t1_ivmy1t3 wrote
I don't need to pull stats. You pull them. What I said is I have first hand experience that this happens across the board. I mentioned no stats.
AyBruhBee t1_ivmyhig wrote
Theres recalls out there now that dont even have a fix ready. Recalls are such a common thing im pretty sure this guy has never owned a car or checked for recalls and thinks they only happen if theyre on the front page of reddit
Rodiruk t1_ivmz131 wrote
One of my favorite recalls was for my 06 mustang. I had issues filling up the gas tank. When filling up, it would kick off when the tank was only half full. There was a design issue with the gas tank.
Fords recommendation was: Use a different pump
E_Snap t1_ivmxxp2 wrote
I’d expect moderators to be able to recognize the difference between hatesturbation and legitimate criticism and moderate accordingly.
ConstantinSpecter t1_ivmhs9d wrote
Toyota has a higher recall quota than Tesla.
I_Can_Comment_ t1_ivmi8cq wrote
I bet Toyota has a billion more cars and products on the street than Tesla
jetstobrazil t1_ivmpef2 wrote
Seriously, Tesla produces, what… 4 vehicles? Toyota has been making cars for 75 years and has 14 current models.
Cyathem t1_ivnmy89 wrote
You don't understand "rates", do you?
Recalls : New cars sold
Tesla = 55%
Toyota = 191%
ukezi t1_ivo1eg0 wrote
They compare total vehicles for that brand sold and recalled in the time frame.
There are a lot of Toyota on the road recalls happen not only for new cars. I think a lot of the recalled Toyota were some before the time frame and that is increasing the numbers.
On the other hand there were basically no Tesla before 2011.
Cyathem t1_ivoa5hf wrote
>On the other hand there were basically no Tesla before 2011.
This doesn't change the rate. Toyota was selling cars for longer but also recalling then for longer. Tesla wasn't able to recall cars during that period, but they didn't sell cars either. It's not relevant to interpreting the results.
ukezi t1_ivoat61 wrote
Ok. Scenario: you sell lots of cars. From say 2000 to 2010 you have an airbag in the cars that in 2012 is shown to have a problem. So you do a recall in 2012. As you just recalled 10 years of production you obviously recalled more cars then you sold in 2012.
That is a problem that a company that basically didn't sell cars before the reference time frame can't have.
Cyathem t1_ivp60h0 wrote
We'd have to see the average age of the products that were recalled. In my mind, recalls usually happen pretty soon after a model is released. It doesn't take 10 years for something to need to be recalled. I think it usually shows up in the first two years. I'd have to check though.
The average time between release and recall should decrease, if over-the-air software updates are being considered recalls. Those will only get more common.
sobanz t1_ivny0g6 wrote
I only know "musk" and "bad
Konini t1_ivnp6mr wrote
The percentages look bullshit to me. They explain this as number of recalls in a given year divided by new registrations, which I’m assuming are registrations of the given make. However, those numbers are not related.
Firstly, newly registered cars most likely will be different models than those affected by recalls. The ratio mixes two different sets of data. At least from what I’ve seen new models are rarely subject to recalls, and the article definitely does not give any evidence to substantiate it’s approach.
Secondly, we get no context of the new registration trends. A brand losing market share will be appearing worse in the statistics than a brand gaining. It looks pretty clear to me why Volvo and Mitsubishi have such high percentages, with this approach.
A more valid statistic but much harder to assess accurately would be the total number of cars a given brand has on the market at the time of the recall.
A possible alternative approach could be to divide the number of recalls for a specific model year by the total number of units produced in a given model year and average them out across whole manufacturer gamut.
Either way the statistics the article presented do not look very trustworthy and seem to favour new and rising brands.
taisui t1_ivmlrd2 wrote
My Lexus can't even update the GPS navi map without paying hundreds the dealership, and my Subaru had went thru 2 firmware updates I had to do at the dealership.
Thaflash_la t1_ivmuu1z wrote
Yup, my Toyota recall had me bringing the car in for a few days.
Few-Swordfish-780 t1_ivmlf1y wrote
Laughs in BMW.
bit_pusher t1_ivmo2a0 wrote
Cries in BMW
Baron_Rogue t1_ivolsaq wrote
-7 years of driving around- “oh hey, forgot to mention that your airbag is actually a claymore”
TheSnoz t1_ivmry73 wrote
All manufacturers have recalls, most aren't urgent and are often done when you bring it in for a logbook service.
Dlemor t1_ivmvdis wrote
I have Prius C 2012. No updates.
mammaryglands t1_ivmtjpq wrote
That's because your old ass Toyota has ancient and inefficient technology. Toyota release software updates all the time
sevenofnineftw t1_ivn0al7 wrote
A lot of OEMs just update ECUs at the dealership when you bring it in for maintenance and don’t tell you because it’s so minor - updated tuning values for the transmission controller or something
Appliancesurgeon t1_ivnagnc wrote
Toyotas have had a ton of recalls over the years…
hammeredtrout1 t1_ivmmrd7 wrote
Yeah you’re spreading misinformation. This is not true
Shasve t1_ivnpjn2 wrote
This is purely anecdotal and in your experience. I don’t think they experience significantly more recalls than other auto manufacturers
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