Submitted by zsreport t3_yyicju in technology
fusebox13 t1_iwva2ll wrote
Reply to comment by liquid_at in GM CEO Barra says electric vehicles to be profitable by 2025 by zsreport
Then provide some sources instead of telling us how smart you think you are...
liquid_at t1_iwvd9nz wrote
EU directives about recycling goals are an indicator
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/ALL/?uri=CELEX%3A32006L0066
But generally speaking, I'm a huge fan of "do your own research" and a huge opponent of "believe random people on reddit because they posted a news article"
I do not expect sources for claims because I'd find my own trusted sources to confirm the statement before deciding on whether I believe it or not.
"Provide me with all that I need to learn that I was wrong or I just keep being wrong" Is not a notion I have ever identified with.
zombienudist t1_iwvomxg wrote
Every manufacturers that I know of have written extensively on how they will recycle the batteries. Here is info from VW.
Here is Tesla
https://www.tesla.com/en_ca/support/sustainability-recycling
"Extending the life of a battery pack is a superior option to recycling for both environmental and business reasons. For those reasons, before decommissioning a consumer battery pack and sending it for recycling, Tesla does everything it can to extend the useful life of each battery pack. Any battery that is no longer meeting a customer’s needs can be serviced by Tesla at one of our Service Centers around the world. None of our scrapped lithium-ion batteries go to landfilling, and 100% are recycled."
And further there are new companies like Redwood Materials that are doing it.
https://www.redwoodmaterials.com/
This has been thought about and discussed endlessly. The idea that massive battery packs are going to go into a landfill doens't seem reasonable. Even degraded battery packs will be able to be reused for stationary storage. And that an EOL they will be recycled.
liquid_at t1_iwydi5e wrote
oh, they won't end up in landfills... They will just use a ton of energy to recycle them at a low rate, with all that remains ending up in a landfill.
The energy-usage from production to recycling is still very high.
But of course it can be done a lot cheaper if oil is used to get the energy... Very eco-friendly...
zombienudist t1_iwywx1l wrote
Compared to what? The problem here is you write this out in isolation. Is there a footprint to recycle a battery? Of course. But you know what also causes a footprint? The extraction of oil and the refining of that into gasoline. So sure you have a footprint to build the battery but then you use that battery for years. The only thing that matters is if the one thing is better then another. And in this case every lifecycle study I have read says EVs have lower carbon emissions over their lives.
liquid_at t1_iwyzicw wrote
Carbon emissions just happen to be only one metric. One that ev is good at. Other metrics look worse. There is a lot of pro ev advertisement going on right now, despite the technology not being where we would need it.
But companies have invested money, so consumers need to be motivated to spend now.
You will see in a couple years that things are not as great as you are being told right now.
News just has a pro ev narrative that is blind to the problems.
But your opinion is your opinion. If you care, you look it up, if not. Then not. As will everyone else.
zombienudist t1_iwze6ze wrote
Moving the goal posts I see. Either way the data on this is pretty clear based on all the lifecycle studies I have read. Perhaps you need to investigate a little further.
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