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EvidenceBasedOnly t1_iws58iw wrote

Reply to comment by phdoofus in 10,000 Google Employees Could Be Rated as Low Performers by ThisIsNotCorn

You know you could have literally googled "do Google employees review their managers" before you just made up nonsense right? Is that really too much to ask?

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NoLogonServAvailable t1_iws6vj4 wrote

If it's anything like most manager reviews, your manager will find out from his manager that the "anonymous" bad review came from you. Hope you don't get PIPed shortly after that.. It's a big club and you ain't in it.

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EvidenceBasedOnly t1_iwsf8he wrote

I think you severely underestimate how employee friendly tech is. I’d be extremely surprised if giving your manager a bad review put you at serious risk of retaliation at Google or similar.

Anecdotally I do actually work in management at a small tech firm, and when I got a mediocre review for an area of my work, I just worked on getting better at that area instead of trying to retaliate, since that would be dumb and bad for everyone involved.

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rontrussler58 t1_iws8nub wrote

You know there are no laws saying a large corporation has to allow subordinates to do skip-level reviews. C-suite could just not do them if they didn’t value the data so doing them in such a way that causes retaliation and bad blood is extremely counterproductive. Not saying it never happens but I’ve been working for a fortune 50 tech company for almost a decade and have never heard of such a thing.

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NoLogonServAvailable t1_iwsdkxv wrote

>You know there are no laws saying a large corporation has to allow subordinates to do skip-level reviews.

So what is the point of this statement? No one was discussing laws we were discussing how employees won't give bad feedback for their managers because they risk getting fired when the manager finds out.

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>C-suite could just not do them if they didn’t value the data so doing them in such a way that causes retaliation and bad blood is extremely counterproductive.

They use the data to find out who to get rid of and what pay raises to give out for the year. Companies like Amazon are constantly hiring and firing people and they use this information for exactly that. See if you can grab some person that just got out of college and offer them a large paycheck and stock options (that take 4 years to fully vest) you can run them dry and burn them out after 2 years with a PIP and save the company a boatload of money from not having to give out the stocks year 3/4. Seen this happen sooo many times it wasn't funny how they play with peoples lives. Even Jeff Bezos thinks people are inherently lazy so they have policies in place to turn over people easily.

https://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-polices-based-jeff-bezos-belief-all-workers-are-lazy-2021-6

"He pointed to a short-term employment model and performance trackers to keep workers on their toes."

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>Not saying it never happens but I’ve been working for a fortune 50 tech company for almost a decade and have never heard of such a thing.

Good for your company, I've worked for a Fortune 5 tech company for 6 years and this is pretty common place and I have plenty of data points that show that this does happen. Just because you never heard it or never experienced it doesn't mean it doesn't happen and you don't get to tell other people their experiences don't matter...

I once had a manager ask me "If you walked into an elevator and Jeff Bezos was in it and he asked you What you did for the company this year? what would you say?" my response would be "Sorry I am currently on lunch break right now".

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DeusExMcKenna t1_iws8pip wrote

We’re gonna need to talk about your, checks notes, pieces of flair.

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phdoofus t1_iws72ro wrote

How many major companies have I worked for in 25 years? About 10-12. How many have asked me to review the executives and senior managers? None. There's some 'Evidence Based' information for you.

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EvidenceBasedOnly t1_iwsfkas wrote

Did you work at Google? The company this entire thread is about lmao.

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phdoofus t1_iwslal1 wrote

And I made a generic comment about companies. Read smarter not...whatever it is you're doing. When was the last time you got to put an executive on a PIP? Never? Yeah, thought so. If you're allowed to 'review' executives it's like 'student government'. It's there to give you the illusion that you have some say in what's going on.

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EvidenceBasedOnly t1_iwsrp5w wrote

I mean obviously you wouldn’t yourself be able to directly put them on a PIP, since at most companies it’s outside your jurisdiction.

But your review could prompt the people above them / the board to put them on a PIP or similar.

The board represents the people that own the company so obviously authority flows from there, but that doesn’t mean there is no upwards flow of feedback.

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palindrome_cardinal t1_iws7hnq wrote

This is fair I just can’t resist a dogpile of downvotes

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EvidenceBasedOnly t1_iwsfhqe wrote

Don’t worry I don’t mind. Going against populist drivel on 95% of subreddits is asking for it.

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