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turnophrasetk421 t1_iwtrql5 wrote

Reply to comment by TheCriticalAmerican in The Only Way the U.S. Can Win the Tech War with China by Vailhem

Well china agreed that all people are created equal and have rights that can not be infringed, sure

No free citizen should do business with China, they have no voice in their government.

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NegativeCap1975 t1_iwtuxu4 wrote

>they have no voice in their government.

they don't?

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TheCriticalAmerican t1_iwtsg59 wrote

>No free citizen should do business with China, they have no voice in their government.

Isolating people is not how those we disagree with should be treated. It just futures an us-vs-them mentality. We should actively engage and work with people with disagree with and learn through cognitive empathy.

The inability for people to work with people they disagree with and instead focus on methods that exclude others is precisely why humanity can not progress beyond tribalism.

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nova9001 t1_iwtxwu3 wrote

>Isolating people is not how those we disagree with should be treated.

Sanctions on Iran, NK, Venezuela, Cuba and now Russia makes me feel like you don't understand how your own country operates.

>It just futures an us-vs-them mentality. We should actively engage and work with people with disagree with and learn through cognitive empathy.

UN just did a vote where every country outside of US & Israel wants sanctions on Cuba removed. When America actually acts on what they preach maybe someone will believe what you said.

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TheCriticalAmerican t1_iwtyauv wrote

You should look through my post history - I'm fairly Anti-American. America is among the most destabilizing and hegemonic powers out there. So, I think we agree here.

China, Cuba, Iran, NK, and more have stated a willingness to work with and engage the U.S. The U.S refuses for multiple reasons. While most of the world is embracing a multipolar and multilateral world, the US is clinging violently onto its hegemonic theology of American Exceptionalism to utterly destabilizing effects.

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nova9001 t1_iwtyser wrote

Indeed, I misunderstood your initial points. You were speaking from a personal point of view. I thought you were talking from an American POV.

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turnophrasetk421 t1_iwtufpb wrote

... yeah that didn't work so well with the Nazi or Communists now did it?

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TheCriticalAmerican t1_iwtulz7 wrote

There's a difference between trying to negotiate with The Borg vs. The Romulans. Try to equate China to Nazis and the Holocaust just shows exactly why there needs to be more engagement and people-to-people exchanges.

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fitzroy95 t1_iwtvzpk wrote

sadly, it also shows quite how toxic the propaganda and misinformation from the West has become.

Chain is a very long way from perfect, but it certainly isn't the soulless and evil monster that western media wants to portray it as

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Gold_Smart t1_iwtxpsb wrote

The Chinese have been in my country for 15 years and in those fifteen years ,we have high speed Internet, highways ,railways, hospital equipment, better armoured vehicles....in our 40 years of our reliance on the west what did we get except SAPs, ruthless dictators and Diplomats who infantilised our leaders. China is far from perfect but don't believe what the west says either. The difference between what American/Western officials speak and what the Russian officials speak is the accent.

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evorna t1_iwtwmmf wrote

Or Russia, north Korea and Iran, chinas best friends

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