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one_hyun t1_j1pguvf wrote

Reply to comment by Prinzmegaherz in Robots Are Replacing Workers Lost in the Pandemic. They're Here to Stay. by jormungandrsjig

Human workforce will be needed in the foreseeable far future. You have business owners, administrators, lawyers, engineers, technicians, etc. You need people to maintain the capital, and people to innovate new and better capital. You need people to operate the logistics of employing the capital and people to navigate the ever-changing policies and laws.

You're going to lose a lot of jobs with automation, but you'll see the creation of many. I just hope we as a society can make this gigantic transition by minimizing human sorrow and violence.

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elegance78 t1_j1piebv wrote

Lawyers, administrators, programmers, accountants will be some of the first occupations lost to AI (might very well be with release of GPT-4 next year). Anything office based will be on the chopping block. Artistic occupations included. Based on current state of AI and automation, manual jobs will be the last to go.

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Northernmost1990 t1_j1q424w wrote

Hahaha! Absolutely not. That's probably the most ridiculous prediction I've seen since the "Internet is a temporary fad" thing in the late 90's.

To think that white collar jobs are on their way out is a bitter blue collar cope.

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fitzroy95 t1_j1r4t4o wrote

There are already many people using online accounting and legal services. And while there is probably a human in there somewhere, largely its using automated systems.

There are a bunch of white collar jobs that are very repetitive and based on well defined rules that are easy to be automated. Law clerks, accounting, are 2 of the easiest.

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mrpoops t1_j1t9scy wrote

AI is not going to create jobs. Its going to become more efficient in the next decade and spring to “life” right in front of our eyes. It’s going to be better at our jobs than we are and that’s coming fast.

There will be entrepreneurs who tack AI onto some traditional process, replace all the workers, make a few more bucks than their competitors and “win” that market. A couple years of that and there will be nothing left.

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f0gax t1_j1qbzef wrote

You know, if two years ago someone said "art can be replaced with AI", I would have had the same reaction as you did. But here we are with AI art that is good enough to at least take the place of commercial artists.

My opinion on the subject is that we're all eventually going to be replaced with some kind of AI or AI-assisted system. And the last to go will be the service tradespeople. Meaning the person you call to come fix your clogged pipes or put up a light fixture. Those jobs tend to be more about thinking and doing based on the specifics of the environment.

For anything else, 95% (or more) of our jobs can or will be turned into a process that a robot/program can follow.

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Northernmost1990 t1_j1qqaor wrote

Eh, I work in art/design and AI is a fantastic tool. But it won't replace me any more than something like Unreal engine has replaced me.

If you're not in professional art, you just can't know; and if you are in professional art, I'd be curious to know why you'd see AI as a legitimate threat.

Non-artists' reactions to AI are strangely reminiscent of non-artists' reaction to early 3D modeling software.

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elegance78 t1_j1q7jn4 wrote

Let's see how that works out for you. We sure will be living in very interesting times shortly...

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one_hyun t1_j1ql2su wrote

Yes, let's see. You seem so convinced but AI will merely become a tool for use for white collar jobs. And the advent of AI will shift jobs to another field, not get rid of them altogether.

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Northernmost1990 t1_j1q7tzs wrote

Looking forward to it. And who knows, maybe the Internet is a passing fad, after all!

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one_hyun t1_j1qlcns wrote

Nope. This is more equivalent to saying the Internet will get rid of jobs. AI is going to cause a massive shift in the job market, but it won't make jobs irrelevant. The Internet caused a massive increase in tech jobs.

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IamChuckleseu t1_j1pshes wrote

Jobs you listed will be first to receive new assistant tools which they have been receiving for decades. From new programming languages, IDEs, accounting tools, tools to go through massive amount of evidence and material, etc. And those jobs still exist. In fact there is more of them than ever. And they will continue existing with better productivity. Current form of AI technology which includes a bit better models in the future does not threaten it anymore than Excel did. No jobs were lost back then, no jobs will be lost now.

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Milfoy t1_j1r7qgn wrote

Offices used to be full of book keepers with paper ledgers. All shops employed them, in fact every business need them. Every improvement in technology has either reduced the number of people needed to do the work, or increased the efficiency of the workers, allowing them to achieve more. This has been going on since the start of the industrial age and is still continuing. The percentage of people employed in agriculture is at an all time low. There's nothing to indicate this trend won't continue unabated, and advanced AI will be yet another step change impacting a variety of jobs.

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one_hyun t1_j1qktd0 wrote

Disagree. Manual jobs have been getting replaced at a much more rapid rate. Lawyers, administrators, high level accountants - they all require much higher level thinking than responding back with factual errors. If you actually see their job description, you'll know it isn't possible in the near future. It's not about pulling data from the Internet and forming speeches.

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elegance78 t1_j1qmamz wrote

You are applying normalcy bias to new technology (AI). It has been always normal for manual labour to be replaced by technology. This time the technology is more suited to replace office based jobs. The learning data is there, easily obtainable.

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fitzroy95 t1_j1r5evx wrote

The majority of legal work involves clerks doing paperwork and research to locate precedents etc which is all automatable (and is going online rapidly), things that require an actual lawyer and a face to face meeting, or a court room, is the minority.

The same applies to accounting. So much of that is very well defined and the rules very well known, more and more of the clerical side of accounting (which is a huge percentage of the job) is going online and automated. There is certainly a moderate amount which is much more complex and requires human intervention, but its still a minority of the work.

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HornyJamal t1_j1rufhv wrote

I dont know. A robot isnt gonna be fighting for your case in court lol. If anything most of these AI algorithms end up being incredibly biased (ie racist) when it comes to criminal behavior.

Also, electric cars rarely need a mechanic anymore 😂

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elegance78 t1_j1rxoc3 wrote

It might eventually. Though it will be preparing paperwork/precedents/defense in 2025.

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HornyJamal t1_j1rymkw wrote

I dont know man. Something feels off about handing my liberty away to a robot to decide. I get robocop vibes 😅 doesnt help i live in a country ruled by a dictator

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dustyprocess t1_j1qgbb3 wrote

If you think lawyers will let themselves be replaced with robots (who do you think sets the bar admission requirements?), I have some ocean front property in Arizona for sale.

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