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Syris3000 t1_j1t6d8o wrote

Reply to comment by Entartika in 2023 tax credits for EVs will boost their appeal by PhantomWizard2099

Chevy bolt? Yes it's not the sexiest option but it is electric and under $30k today... Before the $7500 credit

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Healthy-Chemistry-61 t1_j1u8quc wrote

2023 Bolt EV $19600 out the door. Dealers give customers $7500 up front. Home charging installation included.

Chevy plant capacity has limited sales. Massive ramp up now. Demand out the roof.

Blazer, Silverado, Equinox in mid 2023. Corvette hybrid in 2023. Corvette full EV in 2024.

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Upstairs-Wheel-8995 t1_j1uhpp2 wrote

Most people don’t own homes and probably never will…

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concentus t1_j1uty2v wrote

Yeah Chevy Bolt would be great but if I dangle a cord from my 2nd floor apartment to change it, it's a lease violation.

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gualdhar t1_j1v27u8 wrote

Push your apartment's managing company to install a charging spot or two. A couple managed to get chargers installed in my apartment complex's parking area. If there are enough EVs, they'll likely make money off the charger, too.

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dinoroo t1_j1x12hy wrote

Or just charge a few times a week. If you live in an apartment and have a super long commute, what’s the point?

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concentus t1_j1xj55j wrote

That's the thing - my commute is ~3 miles. An electric car would be great - I just have no way to charge one at work or at home.

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reid0 t1_j1y3fgw wrote

With most modern EVs you could cover that sort of usage by charging your car for 20 minutes once a month at a fast charger. Plug in, reply to a few emails or get on social media for 15 minutes and be on your way.

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singron t1_j1v312s wrote

Most homes are owned by their occupants in the US (homeownership rate is 65%). I don't think it's directly tracked by the census, but it's likely that most people are part of a household that owns their own home.

Declines in home ownership are often people choosing to marry and/or buy houses later in life, so the odds that someone eventually buys a home are still pretty high.

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Upstairs-Wheel-8995 t1_j1v3x3q wrote

Ownership doesn’t occur until after the mortgage is paid. Banks own the homes, not people. The median age for first time homebuyers are 33. Most loans are 30 years. You don’t own shit until you’re about to die, and that’s if taxes don’t force you out of your home.

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GentlemenBehold t1_j1v9po0 wrote

We're talking about installing a EV home charging kit.

None of what you just said, inaccuracies and all, matters in that regard.

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JonstheSquire t1_j1we073 wrote

That is not true. The legal owner is the mortgagor (homeowner) , not the mortgagee (bank).

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Entartika t1_j1t7gs0 wrote

wow you’re right, then why the do I see a bazillion teslas but no bolts

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Syris3000 t1_j1t7nma wrote

Because the bolt is ugly AF and charging infrastructure that isn't Tesla is a bit of a shit show and slow.

If it's for around town and not road trips though... Could be a really decent option assuming you have a way to charge at home.

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atchijov t1_j1tshb4 wrote

Because Tesla was selling cars which look pretty much the same for more than a decade.

Also, if you look for non-us sources on YouTube, modern Bolt has very good reviews. Considering all “publicity” Tesla (Elon) had over last 12 month, and considering huge number of new EV coming to US market (including quite a few in under $30K segment) … you probably still will see a lot of Teslas… because they all look the same and all other EV will look different from each other.

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Tri-Beam t1_j1uh70t wrote

Model 3 is a great car (despite the shit you see all over reddit these days), and the bolt is dog shit. I have driven bolt and switched to the model 3 and never looked back. With state credits I got my car for about ~36k, which was not that much higher than the bolt.

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nyconx t1_j1ul5bt wrote

Why would those state credits not apply to the Bolt as well? Base MSRP is about $12,000 more for the Model 3. I sure hope that spending about 30% more gets you a better vehicle. Cars in the same price category should be compared. These are not even close in price.

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Tri-Beam t1_j1vevgi wrote

This was before several years of price hikes. At the time, the two cars were only several thousand apart and the tesla actually appreciated in value, unlike the equivalent bolt.

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nyconx t1_j1vk5xy wrote

In a vacuum no regular production (Non special edition) car appreciates in value. In a supply shortened window due to pandemic yes cars appreciate in value. People would always prefer to buy a new car if they can buy the same thing for a lower MSRP. What your seeing now will not last long and is only supply constraint issues.

A few years ago I would have agreed with you regarding the Bolt vs EUV. That is also why the bolt was kind of dogged in old reviews. It was not worth it for its cost. Times change and you can no longer buy a Tesla that cheap and the Bolt dropped substantially in price. They no longer are comparable in the price category.

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Tri-Beam t1_j1z79z0 wrote

The bolt loosing value and Tesla retaining value is enough of a reason to go with the Tesla, will lead to less money lost overall.

And my opinion still stands, the bolt is one of the worst feeling cars I have ever driven, ICE or EV. It feels so underpowered that the cost savings just isn’t worth it.

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nyconx t1_j1zsd1n wrote

Not sure if your paying attention but Tesla is offering big discounts on there new vehicles because no one is buying them due to the credits. Used values are not going up higher then new value costs right now for available cars.

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Tri-Beam t1_j20yyv4 wrote

7500 off when the price has increased by 7500 in the last few months is just coming back down to earth. The original tax credits that tesla qualified for once upon a time were 7500 as well.

Just checked, the 2021 bolt is now worth less than its original MRSP, and the 2021 equivalent model 3 is still well above the MSRP I paid for, and I have essentially driven for 2 years for free without a loss in value. I am trying to understand your point.

Try test driving a bolt yourself. If *no one* is buying teslas, then im sure *extra no one* is buying a bolt lol.

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nyconx t1_j22ita1 wrote

Reuters just published a story that used Tesla prices have dropped 17% in the last month while all other manufacturers used values dropped 4%. The reality is different then you think.

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Tri-Beam t1_j23nkjt wrote

Both things can be true, tesla prices fall, bolt prices fell much further. Just pissing in the wind at this point.

Edit: Just read the article that I doubt you read yourself. A 1/3 of all 2022 teslas are on the market, implying there are an extra ordinary amount of flippers that were making a killing artificially propping up the used car prices. This is going to stabilize the market after they are pushed out, similar to the GPU markets.

My original point still stands, which you keep ignoring. A bolt is a dogshit car to drive, and your opinion will change once you actually get to drive one. No point in spending your time defending the bolt out of all cars lol, there are better cars that you can advocate for in the EV world. Please drive the bolt yourself.

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nyconx t1_j23r8wb wrote

Not defending the bolt. It is what it is. One of the cheapest electric cars on the market. Your the one comparing it to more expensive cars and making false claims that used Teslas are gaining in value. All used cars are dropping in value over all including Teslas.

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Tri-Beam t1_j24747z wrote

You just spent all the time defending the bolt? "Also, if you look for non-us sources on YouTube, modern Bolt has very good reviews."

Anyways, ill just continue to drive my tesla that has offset 2 years of depreciation and still over the MRSP I paid over it lol. If I woulda tried saving the extra 5k and got a bolt, I would be in the hole by more than 11k lol.

My point is there theres better EVs there, dont defend the bolt. Its not even worth it as a free car, feels less reliable than a civic with 180k miles on it, youtube pundits aside.

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nyconx t1_j24bsoh wrote

Now I see your confusion. You cannot tell the usernames apart. You quoted someone else. I am done replying to someone that cannot even get that straight.

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Tri-Beam t1_j2d7a2z wrote

Have fun bro! Not really feeling like responding to a person that does not read his own articles he quotes either! Happy New Year!

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Inmate002 t1_j1uqo6m wrote

Only problem with the bolt is it charges slowly so really is only good for driving around town and not on road trips

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Syris3000 t1_j1uqzuu wrote

Yea definitely has tradeoffs for the price

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Inmate002 t1_j1ur64n wrote

Biggest thing holding me back from an ev right now is charging time and lack of charging infrastructure.

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Syris3000 t1_j1urfmz wrote

Get a Tesla then? If price isn't holding you back like me

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Inmate002 t1_j1urp57 wrote

I refuse to buy a Tesla. Overpriced, uncomfortable ride, and their CEO is a dick. I’m just going to hold off on an ev until 2025 or so when costs come down and we have more infrastructure.

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Syris3000 t1_j1ut0kf wrote

Yea I hear you and don't disagree. I still want a Cybertruck but the cost is a serious concern. No way it's going to be anywhere close to $50k like they said at reveal.

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