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Tri-Beam t1_j1uh70t wrote

Reply to comment by atchijov in 2023 tax credits for EVs will boost their appeal by PhantomWizard2099

Model 3 is a great car (despite the shit you see all over reddit these days), and the bolt is dog shit. I have driven bolt and switched to the model 3 and never looked back. With state credits I got my car for about ~36k, which was not that much higher than the bolt.

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nyconx t1_j1ul5bt wrote

Why would those state credits not apply to the Bolt as well? Base MSRP is about $12,000 more for the Model 3. I sure hope that spending about 30% more gets you a better vehicle. Cars in the same price category should be compared. These are not even close in price.

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Tri-Beam t1_j1vevgi wrote

This was before several years of price hikes. At the time, the two cars were only several thousand apart and the tesla actually appreciated in value, unlike the equivalent bolt.

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nyconx t1_j1vk5xy wrote

In a vacuum no regular production (Non special edition) car appreciates in value. In a supply shortened window due to pandemic yes cars appreciate in value. People would always prefer to buy a new car if they can buy the same thing for a lower MSRP. What your seeing now will not last long and is only supply constraint issues.

A few years ago I would have agreed with you regarding the Bolt vs EUV. That is also why the bolt was kind of dogged in old reviews. It was not worth it for its cost. Times change and you can no longer buy a Tesla that cheap and the Bolt dropped substantially in price. They no longer are comparable in the price category.

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Tri-Beam t1_j1z79z0 wrote

The bolt loosing value and Tesla retaining value is enough of a reason to go with the Tesla, will lead to less money lost overall.

And my opinion still stands, the bolt is one of the worst feeling cars I have ever driven, ICE or EV. It feels so underpowered that the cost savings just isn’t worth it.

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nyconx t1_j1zsd1n wrote

Not sure if your paying attention but Tesla is offering big discounts on there new vehicles because no one is buying them due to the credits. Used values are not going up higher then new value costs right now for available cars.

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Tri-Beam t1_j20yyv4 wrote

7500 off when the price has increased by 7500 in the last few months is just coming back down to earth. The original tax credits that tesla qualified for once upon a time were 7500 as well.

Just checked, the 2021 bolt is now worth less than its original MRSP, and the 2021 equivalent model 3 is still well above the MSRP I paid for, and I have essentially driven for 2 years for free without a loss in value. I am trying to understand your point.

Try test driving a bolt yourself. If *no one* is buying teslas, then im sure *extra no one* is buying a bolt lol.

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nyconx t1_j22ita1 wrote

Reuters just published a story that used Tesla prices have dropped 17% in the last month while all other manufacturers used values dropped 4%. The reality is different then you think.

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Tri-Beam t1_j23nkjt wrote

Both things can be true, tesla prices fall, bolt prices fell much further. Just pissing in the wind at this point.

Edit: Just read the article that I doubt you read yourself. A 1/3 of all 2022 teslas are on the market, implying there are an extra ordinary amount of flippers that were making a killing artificially propping up the used car prices. This is going to stabilize the market after they are pushed out, similar to the GPU markets.

My original point still stands, which you keep ignoring. A bolt is a dogshit car to drive, and your opinion will change once you actually get to drive one. No point in spending your time defending the bolt out of all cars lol, there are better cars that you can advocate for in the EV world. Please drive the bolt yourself.

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nyconx t1_j23r8wb wrote

Not defending the bolt. It is what it is. One of the cheapest electric cars on the market. Your the one comparing it to more expensive cars and making false claims that used Teslas are gaining in value. All used cars are dropping in value over all including Teslas.

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Tri-Beam t1_j24747z wrote

You just spent all the time defending the bolt? "Also, if you look for non-us sources on YouTube, modern Bolt has very good reviews."

Anyways, ill just continue to drive my tesla that has offset 2 years of depreciation and still over the MRSP I paid over it lol. If I woulda tried saving the extra 5k and got a bolt, I would be in the hole by more than 11k lol.

My point is there theres better EVs there, dont defend the bolt. Its not even worth it as a free car, feels less reliable than a civic with 180k miles on it, youtube pundits aside.

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nyconx t1_j24bsoh wrote

Now I see your confusion. You cannot tell the usernames apart. You quoted someone else. I am done replying to someone that cannot even get that straight.

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Tri-Beam t1_j2d7a2z wrote

Have fun bro! Not really feeling like responding to a person that does not read his own articles he quotes either! Happy New Year!

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