Submitted by geoxol t3_ze881c in technology
Banea-Vaedr t1_iz53ae4 wrote
Reply to comment by BlkSunshineRdriguez in On social media, a theory persists about North Carolina power outage by geoxol
Everyone seems pretty sure this is what happened, not just her. The fact that police haven't agreed yet is interesting.
TeaKingMac t1_iz59c8w wrote
> The fact that police haven't agreed yet is interesting.
It's called investigating and finding evidence.
A Facebook post isn't proof
Banea-Vaedr t1_iz59j79 wrote
That may be true, but it should be pretty easy to find out who did it, or at least what car they drove, if there are cameras anywhere nearby.
UncountableFinity t1_iz5hd6l wrote
I got downvoted to hell in another thread for suggesting that we don't know yet who's behind this attack yet and should wait for more information before jumping to judgments. Reddit is a fun place.
ISAMU13 t1_iz7f127 wrote
But it's a big hint.
TeaKingMac t1_iz7gsny wrote
I mean probably.
Or she's an actual crazy person, and assumes that God struck down the power because he hates drag queens.
Police need to make that determination (assuming they're actually doing their jobs, and not just klan men)
Cold_Turkey_Cutlet t1_iz5rpvh wrote
The police will be doing everything in their power to cover this up and help the perps escape justice, I guarantee you. Police officers were probably involved in the attack itself, and if not, they definitely know the perps and are friendly with them.
Banea-Vaedr t1_iz5sf9l wrote
They're barely even involved in the investigation anymore. It's an FBI matter now
Cold_Turkey_Cutlet t1_iz5te6b wrote
Good. FBI are shit too but they are still way more trustworthy and good at their jobs than local cops.
But just because the FBI is leading the case doesn't mean local cops can't run interference.
Banea-Vaedr t1_iz5thm7 wrote
Go tell the fine people of Waco about that
Cold_Turkey_Cutlet t1_iz5uwjo wrote
Waco was not that big of a deal. They screwed up the operation but they didn't frame anybody or cause the deaths. The fire was started by David Koresh and they came out guns blazing when the authorities arrived. If it was a criminal gang and not a religious cult, nobody would have acted like it was such a travesty and not the inevitable result of insane criminals fighting the police. Remember 4 agents died that day from Branch Davidian gunfire.
It's only through conservative propaganda that this has been turned into some huge travesty of American justice, simply because it involved right wing white people. Same thing with Ruby Ridge.
Banea-Vaedr t1_iz5vsmk wrote
>The fire was started by David Koresh and they came out guns blazing when the authorities arrived.
The evidence disputing those things conveniently vanished. A few agents testified they were loaded into a U-haul and disposed of the the FBI.
>Remember 4 agents died that day from Branch Davidian gunfire.
I'm a firm believer that if you're being attacked and didn't do anything wrong, you have every right to protect yourself. It's also pretty much undisputed the feds shot first
bltsrtasty t1_iz7431s wrote
The thing about Wace is that it basically put the FBI in a position of where the police in today's America are stuck in: you have divergent sets of beliefs in a country that is extremely diversified, maybe using the same response and tactics aren't going to work anymore.
The FBI screwed up tons in Waco but it's also a big point in changing how they approached cults, fanaticism and other areas of what society may have deemed deviancy.
And to the prior point on the FBI investigating, there Sheriff should be recluse themselves and have after pictures of the sheriff in charge of investigating and Emily Grace, the person with the Facebook post, were found that date back to an October event in 2020 were found and circulated and made worse they the sheriff refused to answer questions about their relationship or framed it as if he was a sheriff and, therefore, couldn't be biased.
Thus the FBI being brought in was a necessity.
Banea-Vaedr t1_iz83kv4 wrote
>The thing about Wace is that it basically put the FBI in a position of where the police in today's America are stuck in: you have divergent sets of beliefs in a country that is extremely diversified, maybe using the same response and tactics aren't going to work anymore.
Every cop in America does not lie on every affidavit and warrant and then destroy the evidence. The same exact cops don't do it twice in a few years in the same positions.
>Thus the FBI being brought in was a necessity.
I understand why the FBI is there. They'd be there anyways. They love inserting themselves where they're not welcomed.
bltsrtasty t1_izce42v wrote
Youre gobna stake out a position of fucj the FBI but assuning they are asserting thenselves everywhere they arent wanted is both unrealistic and dumb. In the case of North Carolina it wouks be required since it is a Federal Power Grid, an acr of terrorism and the sheriff involved has a prior relationship.
That being said, when ppl use the "not all cops are bad", to a bystander being victimized, the abuser snd those who refuse to do anything are no diffrrent.
Fine you hate the FBI, like okay fuck whatever. But making it sound like the FBI have done nothibg different since Waco, TX anf lie on everything sounds more from a conspiracy that I dont give 2 shits to entertain.
Cold_Turkey_Cutlet t1_iz5w7p3 wrote
I would say having an insane cult that rapes children and then eventually kills them all is "doing something wrong" actually.
Banea-Vaedr t1_iz5wlfb wrote
All evidence points to the fact that this never happened. All the children testified they weren't being raped. They testified to it during the course of the raid, too. The FBI knew it wasn't happening The only questionable one I've ever heard is Koresh's wife, who was 14 when they married. But it was all totally legal under Texas law, and since they didn't cross state borders, it was all legit. Not good, but not criminal.
The warrant for the raid was totally BS, too. They weren't making meth, they weren't raping kids, they weren't manufacturing machine guns, they weren't manufacturing hand grenades, they weren't evading taxes (which was the actual charge made in the warrant).
The real question is why you think the police did everything by the book in Waco but question their intentions in NC?
Cold_Turkey_Cutlet t1_iz5xw51 wrote
You are lying.
Child sexual abuse:
>David Koresh told them to call their parents "dogs"; only he was to be referred to as their father. Girls as young as 11 were given a plastic Star of David, signifying that they had "the light" and were ready to have sex with the cult leader. A team of therapists said these were some of the things that 19 of the 21 surviving children of the Branch Davidian cult had told them about their lives inside the compound.
https://www.nytimes.com/1993/05/04/us/growing-up-under-koresh-cult-children-tell-of-abuses.html
Illegal weapons:
>The Branch Davidians were well armed with small arms,[125][126] possessing 305 total firearms, including numerous rifles (semi-automatic AK-47s and AR-15s), shotguns, revolvers and pistols;[81][87][127] 46 semi-automatic firearms modified to fire in fully automatic mode (included on above list): 22 AR-15 (erroneously referred to as M16), 20 AK-47 rifles, 2 HK SP-89, 2 M-11/Nine[87][127] Texas Rangers reported "at least 16 AR-15 rifles,";[81] 2 AR-15 lower receivers modified to fire in fully automatic mode;[127] 39 "auto sear" devices used to convert semi-automatic weapons into automatic weapons; parts for fully automatic AK-47 and M16 rifles; 30-round magazines and 100-round magazines for M16 and AK-47 rifles; pouches to carry large ammunition magazines; substantial quantities of ammunition of various sizes.
>
>Other items found at the compound included about 1.9 million rounds of "cooked off" ammunition;[81] grenade launcher parts; flare launchers; gas masks and chemical warfare suits; night vision equipment; hundreds of practice hand grenade hulls and components (including more than 200 inert M31 practice rifle grenades, more than 100 modified M-21 practice hand grenade bodies, 219 grenade safety pins and 243 grenade safety levers found after the fire);[127] Kevlar helmets and bulletproof vests; 88 lower receivers for the AR-15 rifle; and approximately 15 sound suppressors or silencers (the Treasury reports lists 21 silencers,[127] Texas Rangers report that at least six items had been mislabeled and were actually 40 mm grenades or flash bang grenades from manufacturers who sold those models to the ATF or FBI exclusively;[128][129] former Branch Davidian Donald Bunds testified he had manufactured silencers under direct orders of Koresh).[56]
Banea-Vaedr t1_iz5zmyo wrote
From The Justice Department report on the raid
>1. Historical evidence suggested that Koresh had engaged in child physical and sexual abuse over a long period of time prior to the ATF shootout on February 28. This evidence was insufficient to establish probable cause to indict or proof beyond a reasonable doubt to convict, but it was sufficient to be relevant to the decision making process involving the proposed tear gas plan. The historical evidence is discussed in more detail below.
- There was no direct evidence indicating that Koresh engaged in any physical or sexual abuse of children during the standoff.
>The Branch Davidians were well armed with small arms,[125][126] possessing 305 total firearms, including numerous rifles (semi-automatic AK-47s and AR-15s), shotguns, revolvers and pistols;[
Not illegal. They were all licensed. They had a literal fully licensed gun shop. That's called "inventory"
>46 semi-automatic firearms modified to fire in fully automatic mode (included on above list): 22 AR-15 (erroneously referred to as M16), 20 AK-47 rifles, 2 HK SP-89, 2 M-11/Nine[87][127] Texas Rangers reported "at least 16 AR-15 rifles,";[81] 2 AR-15 lower receivers modified to fire in fully automatic mode;
This is a very simple mod one might make if, say, the FBI raided you with no warning.
>parts for fully automatic AK-47 and M16 rifles
Missing the lower receiver. You know, the part that is a gun. They used them to stylize legal firearms.
>30-round magazines and 100-round magazines for M16 and AK-47 rifles; pouches to carry large ammunition magazines; substantial quantities of ammunition of various sizes.
All legal.
>Other items found at the compound included about 1.9 million rounds of "cooked off" ammunition;[81] grenade launcher parts; flare launchers; gas masks and chemical warfare suits; night vision equipment; hundreds of practice hand grenade hulls and components (including more than 200 inert M31 practice rifle grenades, more than 100 modified M-21 practice hand grenade bodies, 219 grenade safety pins and 243 grenade safety levers found after the fire
You ever been to a gun show? These things absolutely get sold, especially the dummy grenades.
>Kevlar helmets and bulletproof vests; 88 lower receivers for the AR-15 rifle; and approximately 15 sound suppressors or silencers
All legal. Again, they had a literal licensed gun shop they'd sell from.
Cold_Turkey_Cutlet t1_iz6g4wp wrote
>2. There was no direct evidence indicating that Koresh engaged in any physical or sexual abuse of children during the standoff.
Lol DURING the standoff? You think that makes it ok? The point is he was raping kids BEFORE the standoff. That's what led to the stand off.
The rest of your post is a bunch of dumb technalities.
The reality is that this was an insane cult that not only was raping children but also posed a huge threat to the wider community because of their accumulation of an arsenal of weaponry. Look up Aum Shrinkyo for what happens when violent cults go unchecked.
Banea-Vaedr t1_iz6h8na wrote
>Lol DURING the standoff? You think that makes it ok? The point is he was raping kids BEFORE the standoff. That's what led to the stand off.
It does in combination with point one, which establishes they didn't have enough evidence to get a warrant on it.
>The rest of your post is a bunch of dumb technalities.
No, it's not. It establishes the FBI had no reason to raid them the way they did.
>Look up Aum Shrinkyo for what happens when violent cults go unchecked.
The Branch Davidians were not a death cult like Aum Shirinkyo is.
Cold_Turkey_Cutlet t1_iz6hvhf wrote
Yes they were...
Question, do you actually literally believe David Koresh wasn't raping kids or is that just convenient for your narrative that there wasn't enough evidence?
Banea-Vaedr t1_iz6i2dk wrote
>Yes they were...
Their warrant was literally for tax evasion.
>Question, do you actually literally believe David Koresh wasn't raping kids or is that just convenient for your narrative that there wasn't enough evidence?
I believe the FBI abused their authority to murder 82 people in cold blood
Cold_Turkey_Cutlet t1_iz6j38k wrote
>Their warrant was literally for tax evasion.
And Al Capone was only convicted of tax evasion. But I'd be a naive gullible idiot to say that means he wasn't a mobster.
Murdered in cold blood is a ridiculous characterization of what happened. Especially since many of the kids had stab wounds and gun shot wounds FROM THE CULT MEMBERS THEMSELVES.
But neo nazis love to big this event up as the ultimate travesty of justice while dismissing cops shooting unarmed minorities as no big deal.
Banea-Vaedr t1_iz6o7pe wrote
>And Al Capone was only convicted of tax evasion. But I'd be a naive gullible idiot to say that means he wasn't a mobster.
The difference is that Capone couldn't explain where the money was from. Koresh could. He offered it to them, in fact. Repeatedly. On live national television, to the FBI informant, to the county sheriff, to everyone.
>Especially since many of the kids had stab wounds and gun shot wounds FROM THE CULT MEMBERS THEMSELVES.
Interesting how that position comes only from the FBI and everyone in the community and all the cult members' friends and family strongly disagree. When everyone but the cops disagrees with you, you're probably wrong.
>But neo nazis love to big this event up as the ultimate travesty of justice while dismissing cops shooting unarmed minorities as no big deal.
Cops shooting anybody under false pretenses and then covering it up is bad.
Cold_Turkey_Cutlet t1_iz6p45t wrote
>Interesting how that position comes only from the FBI and everyone in the community and all the cult members' friends and family strongly disagree
It's not that interesting that criminals would blame the cops for everything and exonerate themselves.
SirAidandRinglocks t1_iz8yb9u wrote
Tell Fred Hampton that
bltsrtasty t1_iz73agc wrote
If it helps this has been pointed out but the Sheriff and "supposed" suspect have been pictured together at events since 2020 and apparently have known each other at friendly distance.
This a big reason why the FBI was asked to assist was due to the belief of a potential conflict of interest and the sheriff's past relationships with the individual as they both attended and were pictures at the "Back the Red, White and Blue" event of October, 2020. So there are a ton of ppl wondering if the disgraced Captain Emily Grace used her prior friendship or relationship with the sheriff to deter a more detailed investigation that didn't rely on a short question or two.
Legitimate_Plum9 t1_iz7551r wrote
The FBI is always asked to assist in matters of national security including attacks on power sources.
Legitimate_Plum9 t1_iz74yqk wrote
>Everyone seems pretty sure this is what happened
Yea I'm old enough to remember back when "everyone" was pretty sure who the Boston marathon bomber was....
Banea-Vaedr t1_iz83d51 wrote
>Yea I'm old enough to remember back when "everyone" was pretty sure who the Boston marathon bomber was....
These attacks have been almosy entirely accelerationists for the last 20 years or so.
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