Submitted by Sorin61 t3_zrfqdr in technology
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HanaBothWays t1_j13dwfv wrote
LOL the January 6th insurrection was organized on Facebook but…
AverageCowboyCentaur t1_j13etx6 wrote
You're going to get down voted to hell, but you're not wrong. There's really no difference between TikTok and Facebook Instagram WhatsApp, hell those servers directly connect to the Utah data center which is literally down the road. TikTok feels like a made up Boogeyman. You want to get concerned look at Firefox, the amount of external contacts and data that it transmits to and the tracker libraries installed is an absolute nightmare compared to TikTok, that's something to think about. FireFox talks to 7 different companies in close to 30 servers. Plus it fingerprints itself and sends that off, It's a very strange program.
TikTok communicates to three servers exactly. tiktokv.com tiktokcdn.com and one to ibytedtos.com. It's all hosted in America everything's here, they don't even have to guess. If the government was really worried they'd already be fire hosing the data. The only tracking libraries in TikTok are Facebook, VK and Google related. There's not even a fingerprinting library installed. And what spying, snap/meta/insta all share openly and record everything. Hell we know meta listens to key words. This is an OS problem not an app problem go after Android and iOS and harden it against spying, or would that hurt the alphabet agencies more than American citizens?
It comes down to needing hard proof of wrongdoing instead of conjecture. Nobody can prove TikTok is doing anything, until they can I don't see a reason to freak out.
WurzelGummidge t1_j13h1qt wrote
Lol, those are five things that we know all the others are already doing. No maybe, could be or potential for.
We also know the the US government spends 300 million taxpayer dollars a year on anti China propaganda. They need something to show for the money.
supaloopar t1_j13o8ma wrote
Please, this is America.
Emotion is proof
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major-PITA t1_j148i2l wrote
Where did you get that info on Firefox? I've been using it for almost a decade because Chrome has been such a hog. So if FF is crap too, what is the next best alternative?
CheezitzAreGewd t1_j14jmwb wrote
Simple:
U.S. government harvesting its citizens' data isn't a national security threat.
A foreign country controlling misinformation, psychological well-being, and stealing data is a national security threat.
AverageCowboyCentaur t1_j14np04 wrote
I just isolated the process and watched what it communicated to. It's really easy if you have an Android, check out an app called TC slim. But that's just what the Android app does If you want to see it in Windows look into Nirsoft and Sysinternals and use what makes sense for you. There's a lot of utilities there between those two that can help you figure out what they're doing. When I get home I'll get the name of the program I use on Windows.
MarkDoner t1_j14nwke wrote
It's not a "national security threat", true, but it is a threat to the rights and freedoms that are the foundation of what America stands for. I think it's even more pernicious TBH
pats-fan-till-death t1_j14oik0 wrote
like all apps, potentially opens access to a user's entire phone.
"Anytime you have an app on the phone, there's the potential for using that app to bridge access to other things on the phone," said Michael Daniel, CEO of Cyber Threat Alliance.
Is this statement true? I’ve always felt my apple devices were secure
Halperwire t1_j14opum wrote
In other news, US government doesn’t like something they cannot control.
indubitablydelirious t1_j14ovfa wrote
Countering Chinese propaganda is not anti China propaganda
CheezitzAreGewd t1_j14ox9p wrote
I never said it didn't violate an individuals rights and freedoms. In this context, however, we are discussing whether or not it's a "US national security" threat which it is.
MarkDoner t1_j14pase wrote
I asked for an explanation of why it's ok for the US government to do these things. You brought up national security, which you then established isn't relevant to my question. Thank you.
jnemesh t1_j14pmio wrote
There's a huge difference. The US government doesn't own a stake in FB. Also, the Chinese ARE harvesting US user data and sending it straight to the CCP and transmitting the data overseas with no oversight or regulation. There is plenty of "hard proof" but some people are more distrustful of a democratic US government than an authoritarian dictatorship for some reason.
fitzroy95 t1_j14rn3i wrote
> democratic US government
a Failed democracy perhaps.
US politicians are brought and sold by billionaires and corporate executives even before they get elected, and those "donors" are expecting a return on their investment, otherwise those donations dry up and they don't get re-elected.
You can vote for anyone you like, just remember that their allegiance is to their corporate backers, and not to the electorate.
almost any nation using some form of Proportional Representatio has a much more effective and democratic system than the US, 2-party, corporately owned, first past the post system.
and the Govt don't control the media, instead corporations own both the politicians and the propaganda that gets pushed through their media outlets. US corporate media has just as much propaganda and misinformation as anything out of China, Russia etc, and provides just as much tracking and surveillance as either of those nations.
CheezitzAreGewd t1_j14s04o wrote
You asked "people who are against TikTok for these reasons to explain".
I'm giving you reasons why these things are bad if a foreign government does it if you're a US citizen. You can be against both.
However, i would like it if a country who:
Steals corporate/government data.
Steals trade secrets.
Imprisons and violates their citizens rights far worse than the United States.
Has concentration camps.
Is ran by a dictator.
Doesnt ->
Steal more secrets.
Sow more political divide and misinformation.
Rise to power more than it already has.
Hold the US hostage like the manufacturing industry.
Edit: TLDR = Pick your poison.
fusterclux t1_j152319 wrote
saw a pic the other day of 3 dudes wearing shirts that said “Civil War. January 6th” while at the capitol on jan 6th.
MarkDoner t1_j1561f8 wrote
Yeah, I don't like the way the CCP does things either, but since I live in the US I'm a lot more worried about how the US government does things. Apart from potential misinformation, it's hard to see how your list of things is relevant to TikTok.
PandaBearShenyu t1_j15d6js wrote
- it's outcompeting U.S. social media
- it's outcompeting U.S. social media
- it's outcompeting U.S. social media
- it's outcompeting U.S. social media
- it's outcompeting U.S. social media
StaticDashy t1_j15f3jf wrote
Data collection is only ok if we do it >:(
Mayoooo t1_j15jefw wrote
Lmao so true what is this person on about smh
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Mayoooo t1_j15lssa wrote
https://www.tiktok.com/legal/page/us/privacy-policy/en
“We may collect biometric identifiers and biometric information as defined under US laws, such as faceprints and voiceprints, from your User Content.”
“Where you log-in from multiple devices, we will be able to use your profile information to identify your activity across devices. We may also associate you with information collected from devices other than those you use to log-in to the Platform”
“-identifying the objects and scenery that appear, the existence and location within an image of face and body features and attributes, the nature of the audio, and the text of the words spoken in your User Content. We may collect this information to enable special video effects, for content moderation, for demographic classification, for content and ad recommendations”
Just a few quotes from the 3 page privacy policy this is nothing if you actually read through it. And this data is being funneled into a government with with a long, well-documented track record of using this data against Americans.
MarkDoner t1_j15n4sx wrote
So they do the same things Google, Facebook, and the rest do. But people complain more about TikTok because maybe the data goes to the commies instead of whoever you think ought to be tracking you.
Undisolving t1_j15r6bo wrote
*trump’s insurrection
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Ciennas t1_j15wayu wrote
Using it for what, exactly.
Oh no, the CCP is gonna know about my potted plants! The HoRrOr!
NastyMonkeyKing t1_j15wq4e wrote
US will use the info to make money and control opinions. China will use info to destabilize the country and control opinions.
It's kinda that simple. No one is saying either is good. But it seems objectively better to have it be in US control than our enemies control
Undisolving t1_j15wqi3 wrote
Trump incited an insurrection in an attempt to stop the transfer of power after losing a free and fair election.
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SnooHabits8645 t1_j166ojv wrote
They started hating on tiktok when trump thought that 1 million people were gonna go to his rally and they had to toss out all those emails and stats that were faked .
LukeLC t1_j1676zc wrote
If these are the best reasons they can come up with, all social media is a threat to US national security.
Which... isn't necessarily inaccurate. But then, banning TikTok won't solve the problem.
LukeLC t1_j167k38 wrote
Technically it's true, but it's misleading, for sure. There are lots of protections in place to stop this kind of thing from happening, both on iOS and Android. Nothing is bulletproof, though.
MarkDoner t1_j16cznl wrote
I'll give you a plausible but hypothetical example of why I'm more worried about domestic mass surveillance than foreign mass surveillance. Let's say a person named Alice is involved in BLM, and though she does nothing illegal, she becomes a thorn in the side of the local chapter of the Proud Boys. Bob, policeman who is also a member of this Proud Boys group, happens to have an old high school friend, Candice, who now works in information technology for a federal law enforcement agency. Bob, pretending to be acting in his capacity as a law enforcement officer, pressures Candice into abusing her access to social media surveillance data to share information about Alice, and Bob uses that data to track down Alice in an isolated location and break her kneecaps.... Foreign mass surveillance is generally much less tightly coupled with regular people in the US, and while something like this story could happen, it'd pretty much have to involve foreign agents (spies) who are much fewer in number than far-right policemen.
a_white_american_guy t1_j16evu6 wrote
in·sur·rec·tion /ˌinsəˈrekSH(ə)n/ noun a violent uprising against an authority or government.
What?
FutureAIOverlord t1_j16n227 wrote
Which rights and freedoms are threatened?
TacosDeLucha t1_j16odk4 wrote
4 things our scumbag companies have always done, and CHINAAA!!!
UngusBungus_ t1_j1704ga wrote
Step in the right direction at least
colondollarcolon t1_j17904t wrote
Fox News and Meta are bigger threat to US national security. Remember the January 6th Insurrection? Vladimir Putin has a tight grip on Fox News and Meta, just look at their content every day.
Acrobatic_Switches t1_j17j6ia wrote
It does everything our social media does only for China.
a93H3sn4tJgK t1_j17tgev wrote
I think the issues with TikTok are obvious when you compare TikTok US/ROW (rest of world) with TikTok China.
TikTok China has strict limits on how much it can be used, they promote videos about STEM subjects, and they promote government propaganda.
TikTok USA/ROW pushes the most inane and divisive content and promotes conspiracy theories.
China and TikTok know exactly what they’re doing.
China won’t allow the version of TikTok that is used outside of China to be used in China.
Bkeeneme t1_j17wdbm wrote
I think the big issue is the app's ability to map, in detail, every square inch of a user's life and their surroundings and their likes/dislikes- which is put into a cohesive database where you get a full picture of high value targets to exploit- that is a big problem.
major-PITA t1_j18uo5i wrote
I appreciate any info you're willing to provide. I'm running NetGuard on my Note 20 with DuckDuckGo as my browser.
RunDNA t1_j138hxv wrote
6. The U.S. government doesn't like that one of the most popular apps in the world isn't U.S. owned and therefore isn't profiting the American economy enough.