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bkornblith t1_j1cohva wrote

Google’s main product (search) has gotten meaningfully worse for the last decade… it’s now so filled with ads and garbage that it’s almost functionally useless. This isn’t even about ChatGPT… this is about Google failing to make their product work for anyone other than advertisers.


nicuramar t1_j1d1yy9 wrote

> it’s now so filled with ads and garbage that it’s almost functionally useless.

I think that's a huge exaggeration. I use it several times each day, and mostly find what I look for. Ad supported search results are at the top and marked as such.


Successful_Speech439 t1_j1dcr06 wrote

Which is annoying, I shouldn’t have to scroll halfway down the page to get my actual search results


not_a_conman t1_j1ea90e wrote

And then half the non-ad results are some garbage AI generated article that doesn’t actually answer your question. That’s why I usually end up on Reddit for answers one way or another. I do usually search Reddit results through Google though… so I guess that’s helpful?


maru11 t1_j1efncf wrote

Or one of the 200 Sites that are just a scam clone of Stackoverflow Q&As


misterclay t1_j1dr6xe wrote

lol, imagine complaining about having to use your mouse wheel for half a second


cyrusm t1_j1ddads wrote

Then use an alternative service.


Successful_Speech439 t1_j1decon wrote

I do 😂 fuck Google. It’s a last resort when I absolutely can’t find what I’m looking for.


mav3r1ck92691 t1_j1eacwa wrote

If it's your go-to "last resort when you can't find what your looking for," wouldn't that make it better than what you are using? It finds the answer when your "usual" source cannot?


Successful_Speech439 t1_j1eg1xq wrote

Nah, just means what I’m looking for is so obscure, almost no one bothered making a web page for.


Thehibernator t1_j1f4gnk wrote

So google is finding the obscure thing with relative ease vs it's competitors?


Successful_Speech439 t1_j1f5nxr wrote

Honestly no and you Google shills are fuckin obnoxious


Thehibernator t1_j1f5z2z wrote

It’s not even my preferred search engine but what you said made no sense, just sayin


NataliaKennedy t1_j1d1kdi wrote

I put reddit or quora after everything I search to avoid the stupid blog posts that come up


bkornblith t1_j1d2twd wrote

I can find better information using Reddit or other websites at least half the time because of how terrible Google results are at this point.


Spaceman-Spiff t1_j1dojzr wrote

But reddits search feature is horrible.


tidder_mac t1_j1drvlq wrote

Gotta Google what you’re looking into, because Google does still have an amazing underlying product.

But to filter out all the bullshit that Google now prioritizes to make money for themselves, you should include the site you want. “Reddit” in this case.


Sycosplat t1_j1dyfey wrote

Yup, normal results (below the bunch of sponsored ads) are just filled with results leading to "review" websites and blogs listing the 10 best types of whatever you are searching for, but then it's just affiliate marketing crap, where each review reading like it was written by a marketing team.

The only way to get what feels like a genuine opinion is to put in "reddit" so you can at least attempt to find a real answer and not just trying to sell to you.


macrofinite t1_j1dqinm wrote

I think it says a lot that if you’re looking for something that physically exists, searching in google maps is almost always better than regular search.

Images became utterly useless like 10 years ago when it became completely infected with Pinterest posts that can’t be saved or viewed without logging into that cancer website. Bing image search is just objectively better.

And in regular search you have to scroll basically to the bottom of the first page find the first “legitimate” search result anymore.

Google is pretty garbage. Except maps. But I’m sure they’ll find a way to ruin that too soon enough.


strawberrymacaroni t1_j1ef6dj wrote

SEO has also managed to make the things you search for worse… for example, I was looking up a recipe and because they are all search optimized, you have to scroll all over the page before you can find the actual recipe, it’s so annoying, I just want to click on the link and see the recipe, not a 2000 word poorly written essay about how these are the gooiest, fudgiest, most chocolatey brownies straight from my grandmother’s recipe book.


bkornblith t1_j1efmv5 wrote

True - the knock on effects of all this are quite horrible all around


ThinBlueLinebacker t1_j1esb8j wrote

Seems as if every food recipe blog writer goes to the same awful conference where they learn how to write like an annoying moron.


bigkoi t1_j1cqv7j wrote

It's also made a lot of money.

Unclear how chatgpt makes money. It uses data a year+ old which is mostly useless and considered stale data by marketing.


stockist420 t1_j1cv47x wrote

Have you used it? I gave it a bunch of items and said i want cook something with it. It gave me like 6 recipes explained in detail. Haven’t used google in last 4 days. Now I first try it on gpt and then go to google. Shorting google stock for me is a no brainer


bkornblith t1_j1cwn5b wrote

I wouldn’t remotely go as far as shorting google stock….


CardioKillsYourGains t1_j1d3btk wrote

I would. Google has been poorly managed for the last decade.

They create a product, it does well. Then they kill it, only to replace it with two products that do the exact same thing but worse. Then once people start using it again, they rename it no less than three times, before merging the functionality into a different app. Then they just delete that feature for no reason in an update.

The cycle repeats.


bkornblith t1_j1d6zuy wrote

Msft has done way better and Google has made a lot of mistakes, but I wouldn’t count Google out. Betting against a company with almost limitless capital at a moment when capital is very expensive feels like a bad bet at this moment.


Alberiman t1_j1ect1o wrote

The problem with limitless capital is it's a lot like being an emperor with a massive army, it gives you an unrivaled level of confidence that whatever you choose to do is the correct decision because you never feel the consequences in any meaningful way

then one day you wake up and the peasants are inside the castle walls and calling your name


bkornblith t1_j1edca4 wrote

Oh definitely - I just don’t think we’re near that day yet…. Not to say it won’t come


stockist420 t1_j1d6aco wrote

This. Nearly 90 % of their revenue is from advertising, bulk from google search engine. What is the upside anyway in the current high rate environment? What is the downside- plenty


bigkoi t1_j1cve6m wrote

Dude. My wife asks the Google home in the kitchen and gets recipes right in the kitchen.

Give a better example.


Blue-Phoenix23 t1_j1dd2q6 wrote

As an aside, I was really surprised when I got a Google WiFi setup how good the chat function is. I didn't buy it for that purpose and didn't think I would use it but it's pretty neat.

I continue to be dumbfounded how Apple, MS, Amazon etc have basically ceded the smart home space to Google.


bigkoi t1_j1djqse wrote

Agreed. Out of all the tech companies they have the best assistant which was key to the smart home.

However, 4 years ago Google demoed Lambda scheduling an appointment with an unsuspecting human. It was amazing. I have to believe Google has the tech in Lambda when they are ready to make it public in an assistant.


mintardent t1_j1eo94d wrote

the google scheduling thing is definitely rolled out. If I want to make a reservation somewhere that I have to call in, the google website it gives me the option to have assistant make the call.


bigkoi t1_j1eod4e wrote

Really? I'll have to look into that.


mintardent t1_j1erh7n wrote

yeah. I don’t think they’re super clear about what’s happening, because I also remember that demo years ago and I didn’t realize it was actually implemented until recently. I think, for example for a restaurant, there’s an option called “reserve a table” or something like that and the assistant makes a call for you. you just have to select a date and time range you’re comfortable with.


paxfuturus t1_j1d5zwn wrote

While it is true that traditional search engines can provide quick and simple answers to cooking queries, ChatGTP offers much more advanced capabilities. For example, ChatGTP can understand and respond to more complex and nuanced requests, such as asking for recipe variations or substitutions. It can also engage in more in-depth conversations, providing detailed explanations and recommendations based on user preferences and dietary restrictions. Additionally, ChatGTP can learn and adapt over time, becoming more efficient and personalized in its responses. These features make ChatGTP a superior choice for those seeking more than just basic recipe information.

P.s. that was AI generated by ChatGTP as a custom response to your criticism. One thing I'll note though is that it is also way better at delivering recipes than Google is. No offense.


bigkoi t1_j1d893o wrote

Understood. The point is it's not difficult for Google to pivot here as Google has the share of endpoints for an assistant. Google obviously has the technology with Lambda.

Here is the difference between Open AI and Google. Open AI can afford to have bad responses and potential racist responses being generated. Google can not. I would imagine Google is busy tuning out all the potential brand damaging responses prior to unleashing it's Lambda capabilities into their assistant.


paxfuturus t1_j1d9r2s wrote

The issue of racism is overstated for OpenAI and understated for Google. Those are absolutely problems that have to be considered, but Google has been doing that for decades and they're still dealing with people getting radicalized on YouTube. If anything its less likely on OpenAI because it's conversationally intuitive.

The big difference is that OpenAI is giving actual AI access to users in a much more tangible way, and also in a way that provides superior a search experience to Google for tons of applications. That's why Google is freaking out, they've been focused on profiteering in search and not service and it really shows. As innovative as Google likes to portray themselves as being, they are an old established player and a monopoly which is why we haven't seen this kind of innovation sooner even though it's been possible for quite some time. Monopolies stifle innovation and competition, that's why we have antitrust laws.

On a philosophical note, OpenAI's focus on research and development of advanced AI technologies sets it apart from Google, which primarily uses AI for financially expedient applications. Google is not a social enterprise. And even though OpenAI isn't non-profit anymore, they are profit capped. All that allows OpenAI to push the boundaries of what is possible with artificial intelligence and contribute to the field in a meaningful way. Being a newer company also allows for greater flexibility and agility in adapting to new developments and technologies in the field.

I use Google Pixel by the way, and have used every Google phone and I have a Chromebook tablet, Nest ecosystem etc.. It's not that I don't appreciate their products.


MacDegger t1_j1dztr3 wrote

I don't you realise that google has been an ai company since more than half a decade at the very least, paid for by adwords.

And comparing the age of OpenAi and Google? Not just irrelevant but ... it is also 7 years old and founded by amongst others Elon Musk.


red8reader t1_j1ete02 wrote

Have you used other search engines?

To say they have failed is a stretch, a very long stretch. The reality is that Google has a hard time staying in front of the SEO industry, which manipulates SERPs.

Google also mixes in NLP while most if not all others are still using simple keywords.


anotherbozo t1_j1fb61d wrote

Google lost most of its value a few years ago when it started ranking corporate-owned content power houses higher.

That resulted in companies doing shitloads of SEO to rank higher so they can use it for more sales.

It slowly drew hobbyist content creators and bloggers, who are generally more enthusiastic about what they are writing, away.

If you want travel tips now, you're more likely to find tips from the blog of a website that sells hotels, rentals, flights, etc... written by a nameless author; rather than someone who is enthusiastically writing from their own experience.


MerrillSwingAway t1_j1awk9z wrote

god forbid if there’s….competition


anti-torque t1_j1ax1rl wrote

It's not competition if it does the service google abandoned years ago.


wannabe414 t1_j1b7s06 wrote

Which service are we talking about?


inkypinkyblinkyclyde t1_j1br5sj wrote

Search optimized for clarity and accuracy of results instead of optimized for profit.


HolyAndOblivious t1_j1d6q0o wrote

google searches are functionally useless. They used to be decent 10 years ago. Right now, its 50% promotional content.


aoechamp t1_j1dmp66 wrote

More like 20 years ago. Google was already going downhill in 2012


upvoatsforall t1_j1dr1t2 wrote

More like 30 years years ago. Google was going downhill in 2002


aoechamp t1_j1dtxbk wrote

More like 40 years ago. Google was already going downhill in 1992. Oh, wait…


coporate t1_j1ed2gt wrote

It’s not competition, their issue is with these applications replicating their search results.


fingergelix t1_j1b93t3 wrote

Interesting opportunity for Microsoft given their relationship with OpenAI.


tnnrk t1_j1ejmcn wrote

We about to all say “go bing it”


beambot t1_j1f6i8c wrote

This is already happening. Many of the elite software developers I know have discarded StackOverflow & Google in favor of GitHub CoPilot.


galdikas t1_j1gm3g1 wrote

Well I'm by no means an elite. But for me at least co-pilot does not fully replace either


Yeahha t1_j1bc909 wrote

ChatGPT will need to be free and available to replace Google search function.

Maybe Google will start trying to filter out AI generated ad sites and quit pushing their own ads for 65% of results to try to avoid losing traffic, but I suspect they will double down with ads and ad sites.


strawberrymacaroni t1_j1eej4s wrote

I don’t know… I would never pay any money for Google services as a non-business owner but I would pay for chatgpt because it can actually do functions for me that are part of my job and save me some very valuable time.


MegaKetaWook t1_j1euncm wrote

The real money is from businesses, not consumers. Google Ad services are really valuable, and if you're an SEO expert who can get first-page search results, you're even more valuable.


strawberrymacaroni t1_j1f0gi7 wrote

But if consumers (like me) are opting for another service en masse, the premium Google charges businesses takes a huge hit.


Vulcan_MasterRace t1_j1az664 wrote

If you haven't used ChatGPT yet....I suggest you do... It's a game changer for sure.


dimmu1313 t1_j1cemzq wrote

i thought it's just an ai chat bot. how does it compete with Google?


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paxfuturus t1_j1d67nb wrote

Google literally does the exact same thing in terms of ripping content.


mintardent t1_j1eoltl wrote

It is usually great, but the risky thing with ChatGPT is that it (sometimes) confidently spits out the wrong answers. Google does too, but with the ChatGPT you inherently can’t verify what it’s telling you for yourself, because the links to its sources aren’t anywhere to be found


Johnothy_Cumquat t1_j1chx54 wrote

it's really good at "what's that word that starts with a p and means..." sort of questions. Imagine a search engine that doesn't just search the web for keywords but can interpret what you're looking for and find that


gr8sh0t t1_j1dswap wrote

Other than what was mentioned, it is not the literal same as Google.

In addition they allow API access which exposes additional layers of parameters to use. This costs money but it's certainly great for people with use cases.


MinimumHairGlow t1_j1cvoof wrote

Its more or less google for dummies. Just ask a question. If the answer is too vague, ask another question. And go on.


MinimumHairGlow t1_j1cvkoy wrote

Yeah I was so impressed.

5 years ago we had a project at our university and we had to use a very unpopular and old programming language. We spent hours and hours on very little problems like "how to fill an dynamic array".

With ChatGPT I had my answers for most of these questions in a few minutes, WITH code examples. A few minutes for what 20 students needed multiple days for, with google.


Vulcan_MasterRace t1_j1cw99y wrote

I copied/pasted my code in it with an explanation of what I was trying to accomplish and it gave me the solution with a breakdown and explanation... I was blown away


Maharsi t1_j1b3aby wrote

Won't someone think of Google's bottomline!? If we use AI, google won't make that $208 billion a year in ad revenue 😭



paxfuturus t1_j1d6hzt wrote

It's super selfish of ChatGPT to offer this superior option for free. They are being so mean to Google. They didn't even ask for permission! Very rude. 😤


Johnchuk t1_j1bs45m wrote

wtf is chatgpt, and why am i seeing it everywhere?


blueberrywalrus t1_j1c13ia wrote

It's an incredibly impressive chat bot.

Here it is writing a bean rap for drake:


Vanman04 t1_j1eppbw wrote

To be fair the chat just created the ryhme the guy in the video did most of the heavy lifting with other tools.

Chat GPT is impressive to be sure but it didn't write the beat in this video.


thaboognish t1_j1b3ugs wrote

u/maxy3230 just posted this exact same thing 15 hours ago. Why repost?


spookaddress t1_j1d76x6 wrote

I am glad they did. I didn't catch the first one and enjoyed the article. Reposts can be helpful from a certain point of view.


No_Race1693 t1_j1da5ah wrote

Google deepmind vs Microsoft OpenAI.

Who will win


weirdallocation t1_j1d2v9g wrote

What will they do? Buy OpenAI?


Seriously, they have so many engineers working for them, what do they actually do? They could probably lay off half of them and it would not impact Google, since they have not had an internal developed successful product for a long time.


Vanman04 t1_j1eq399 wrote

They already have a version that is better.

They just have not released it in the wild yet. Remember the stories a few weeks ago about the guy who thought ai had become sentient? That was googles.


Toytles t1_j1er4fh wrote



[deleted] t1_j1d95s6 wrote

Google getting Hadoop'd OVER AND OVER AGAIN

They never learn...


bigkoi t1_j1cqpls wrote

Article is from MSN ( Microsoft Network). LOL!


GrayBox1313 t1_j1du0o8 wrote

Quite a business model to build future products around

“But some have been quick to notice that the bot is often riddled with errors. ChatGPT is unable to fact-check what it says and can't distinguish between a verified fact and misinformation, AI experts told Insider. It can also make up answers, a phenomenon that AI researchers call "hallucinations."

The bot is capable of generating offensive responses that are racist and sexist, Bloomberg reported.

The chat bot's high margin of error and vulnerability to toxicity are some of the reasons why Google is hesitant to release its AI chat bot LaMDA — short for Language Model for Dialogue Applications — to the public, according to the Times. A recent CNBC report said Google execs are reluctant to release it widely in its current state over concerns over "reputational risk."


bannacct56 t1_j1dxurf wrote

That's pretty much what happens when you stop inventing new technology and rest on your laurels. Right now Google search results are roughly the same quality as Bing search results. And Bing hasn't gotten any better.IMHO


juberish t1_j1dz5ra wrote

Oh look the same article again, this is like the 5th time the same news has been posted


gavinashun t1_j1f5mt9 wrote

"In particular, teams in Google's Trust and Safety division among other departments have been directed to switch gears to assist in the development and launch of new AI prototypes and products."

Oh good - in this current day and age, Google should definitely reassign the Trust & Safety division.


Electronic_Agent_235 t1_j1fdd27 wrote


(And by future, I mean the past)


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Realistic-Duck-922 t1_j1fn6zy wrote

Google will likely deliver a cease and desist any day now. ChatGPT was trained on endless trademarked data. Oh do trademarks still mean things? Oh the 1% wants their cheese where it is? Oh are you starting to pay attention? LOLOLOLOL Oh my netizens...... LOLOLOL


rusbus720 t1_j1dylgq wrote

People are overhyping chatgpt AI so much it’s unreal.


YoBroItsMo t1_j1ec3iu wrote

It's the trajectory. Think of where language models, whether it's Open AIs or Google's, will be in a few years.


rusbus720 t1_j1ekmoq wrote

I’m thinking about how people blindly google things and often end up believing a bunch of false information because that’s what google returned.

Imagine we eliminate the step of checking multiple search return links and just blindly believe the prompt of an AI that the general public doesn’t how it works.


sargrvb t1_j1enb06 wrote

You should practice what you preach lol


rusbus720 t1_j1entwg wrote

Hey look the tesla bagholder is following me again. How’s the -70% port going?

This guy follows my comments because I said tesla is a bad investment and musk is a con man


TNCrystal t1_j1eu7vk wrote

yeah this whole Internet thing is a total fad -you probably 1990s


rusbus720 t1_j1ewtks wrote


I’m not downplaying the significance of AI, just that chatgpt AI is very overrated


Downtown-Anything-44 t1_j1cju99 wrote

Just throwing this out there. Elon musk is a founder of OpenAI.


paxfuturus t1_j1d6nzq wrote

Yeah but he jumped ship and is jealous of them now, so it's a win.