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GetOutOfTheWhey t1_j0azx11 wrote

To be honest, if government employees can download whatever app they want on govt phones. You have bigger issues.


MaximumRecursion t1_j0cl6ow wrote

Yeah, this is one of those pointless Bills that solve non-existent problems. No one is downloading any apps on government devices that aren't related to their job or preapproved. If they do they'll get in trouble.


JimmminyCricket t1_j0crb0d wrote

Question: have you ever had a job in the government?

I have and I really don’t think you’re right about this.


__ImThatGuy__ t1_j0d9g8g wrote

I’m currently a state government employee and we can’t download anything unless it’s on our pre approved App Store.


JimmminyCricket t1_j0f9snm wrote

Sounds like a good state program for security. My experience comes from the military albeit 6+ years ago. I hope to God things got better…


MaximumRecursion t1_j0cs6ed wrote

Yes, many, and have had plenty of government issued equipment (GFE - Government Furnished Equipment). It's security 101 to never download shit on them. You can get fired for even plugging a usb device into a government computer, or hooking govt phone up to a computer. Anyone who has worked anywhere near a government job knows this.


JimmminyCricket t1_j0cvj50 wrote

I mean I agree with all of that. Just saying that it doesn’t work. People still do it and don’t get caught. A lot. I don’t think writing another bill is gonna help either but here we are.


Holovoid t1_j0d1kcl wrote

Those are the only bills that pass.

We can't pass bills to solve ACTUAL problems. Improving material conditions is socialism


Happy_Pickle_4402 t1_j0d3wka wrote

actually china made tiktok and considering the fact that its china they could simply update it with a virus such as adware malware or spyware on government devices that could potentially gain illegal access to government documents on us soil so no i dont think its THAT useless tbh


MaximumRecursion t1_j0dq47y wrote

It's useless because no government agency allows the users of their devices to install that kind of stuff in the first place, but i guess this law probably gives teeth to prosecute if they do. But in general no one is installing shit on government devices unless they are explicitly told to


VR6SLC t1_j0an7kd wrote

Government devices shouldn't be able to access social media. If the employees want to check how many up-doots they have, then they should do ot on their own time.


[deleted] t1_j0bc6tw wrote

Seriously, doest every employer already ban this stuff?


BrothaTruck t1_j0bip1h wrote

Just give everyone old Nokia phones, they are way cheaper also


8-bit-Felix t1_j0bkj2q wrote

Unfortunately, most old phones don't work anymore because telecoms have phased out 2G and 3G.

You can't even get a "dumb phone" that doesn't have wifi anymore.


CptnAwesomeSaus t1_j0bvq8d wrote

Look at the eTalk on Verizon.


1.5/5 stars, the perfect Government phone.


8-bit-Felix t1_j0bxu18 wrote


CptnAwesomeSaus t1_j0c17ee wrote

Yeah but only for wi-fi calling, it doesn't access the internet in a modern sense.


AadamAtomic t1_j0cfdn4 wrote

The title is misleading.

You can't have tiktok on your personal phone, and walk around inside the US pentagon every day Mapping it out with GPS thats sent to China.

It could give away troops positions or base locations.

Government employees can't have it on their personal devices.


tommles t1_j0ectre wrote

>The title is misleading.

Is this the bill titled “No TikTok on Government Devices Act,” introduced by Sen. Josh Hawley?

>Government employees can't have it on their personal devices.

Sounds like a future lawsuit.


nicuramar t1_j0dnct8 wrote

> You can't have tiktok on your personal phone, and walk around inside the US pentagon every day Mapping it out with GPS thats sent to China.

It puzzles me a bit when people think that the TikTok app (and other apps) would be able to do anything remotely like this :p. It certainly can't, especially not when not active.

> It could give away troops positions or base locations.

So, that's more likely (since people might use the app now and then), but it seems like bases would be much easier to detect with regular satellite intel.

That said, I agree that apps in general should be restricted in such situations.


cropguru357 t1_j0bvn8m wrote

No kidding. I don’t know how this was allowed the first place.


DeusHocVult t1_j0bx6en wrote

Most government organizations have this policy in place at a local level. However there are exceptions such as social media managers and data analytics.


landwomble t1_j0b3yuu wrote

Why aren't US gov owned devices subject to a device management policy? If they are Android or iOS, it's trivial to apply an MDM policy to them to control what can/can't be installed, to mandate being patched and up to date before accessing gov resources like email etc. If they're Windows or Mac, similar with InTune etc. How the hell aren't they already like this? Every large company I've worked with over the past decade has been doing this for years...!


fgdfghdhj5yeh t1_j0banlv wrote

competent sectors are, but there are tons of different areas all managed very differently.


landwomble t1_j0cc4ig wrote

It just feels like something that should be universal, it's not hard to do or anything!


phdoofus t1_j0aruuv wrote

I don't know why people would do this. I've had company supplied devices and the only things you were allowed to install on it were things pre-approved and available on company IT web sites. It's just basic infosec


HackSlashBurn t1_j0bsxnp wrote

There should be zero accessibility from gov devices anyways. Hell, vendors supplying drill bits to gov agencies have to sign a form (889) stating there is no Chinese tech contained in them.


Electrosploom t1_j0b0e4h wrote

This is mine blowing, I was certain that all they had to do was put a memo out and the IT department could make it compulsory.


Redleg171 t1_j0b7wj0 wrote

It gets more tricky when it comes to things like universities.


nicuramar t1_j0dnoph wrote

Are those usually government owned, though? Or their devices?


Dragoniel t1_j0anp80 wrote

A bit weird it takes a senate to ban something from govt-owned tech. IT and information security departments should have restrictions in place on what can be installed on managed devices and stuff like this shouldn't be on approved list of apps simply because it is not related to the job in the first place.

I suppose it is good to have national standard for this, but senate? Huh.


ElusiveCurb5t0mper t1_j0cdtui wrote

They want to ban tiktok nationwide for all citizens so I think that’s coming next


StressInteresting378 t1_j0ajz5z wrote

I see no problem with this at all, should be removed from the app stores and automatically delete from devices that have it.


Mccobsta t1_j0ax5yw wrote

Removing it from apple is easy apple just has to revoke the certificate android on the other and people can backup the apk or grab it from the store in other regions or apk mirror


sign_up_in_secondss t1_j0aoqx0 wrote

>it should be removed from the app stores and automatically delete from devices that have it.

lmao you think the state should be allowed to delete apps from devices you own?


bonzai_science t1_j0aqk55 wrote

it's a foreign product, so yeah i think the federal government should have a say on what's imported here


nicuramar t1_j0dnxov wrote

That's a very extreme measure you're advocating for, I'd say.


bonzai_science t1_j0e05pz wrote

Not really if it's a product that's actively harming our national security and the psychology of millions of Americans through addiction.

Would you say the same thing about the Qing Empire attempting to ban opium from the UK in the 1800s? I don't think it's unreasonable at all for harmful products to be banned regardless of if people here are able to convince themselves that their FYP is bringing immense happiness to their lives. The modern "Opium of the people" is TikTok.


tommles t1_j0eddpa wrote

Seems we better ban phones, computers, video games, movies, books, music....


sign_up_in_secondss t1_j0aqm6d wrote

lmao the bootlicking is strong with this one


cannibal_man t1_j0g65uc wrote

Good! I hope this bill passes. It's a great start. 👍 👍

Time to reign in the CCP here in the US.

And let's not forget the surveillance of Chinese citizens here in the US, especially with the use of those phony 'police stations'. Let's close them down, too.


MMResearch t1_j0b7sg7 wrote

Damn you can really see the triggered dopamine zombies coming out in these comments. They’re scared theyre not going to be able to scroll through mind numbing content for hours on end. I couldn’t give a rats ass about security, but lets talk bout the other slew of issues!

-Directly eroding self esteem by setting unrealistic expectations and forcing kids to compare themselves to others. -REWIRING OUR BRAINS TO FUNCTION IN SHORT ATTENTION SPANS, CRIPLLING DOPAMINE PRODUCTION AND OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH IT -THE GODDAMN SEXUALIZATION OF CHILDREN

…but yea national security..

I could go on but I just woke up and haven’t even had my coffee yet. GOOD DAY!


cachemonet0x0cf6619 t1_j0bt65n wrote

why are you using it if it does all that? the dilemma is with banning any app from the app store without justifications and unfortunately your justification is only enough to get it off government phones.


pudinpop69 t1_j0c7jf0 wrote

The ban would apply to iOS and Android phones sold globally. International markets are not going to look fondly on the US restricting social media from globally accessible app stores. What happened to the Western notions of "Freedom of Speech?" Don't be a reactionary.


NowThatsAnAdventure t1_j0aic74 wrote

Never putting that trash app on any of my devices. Everyone would be wise not to use it. Definitely far from safe since the alarm bell was sounding on TicTok as it was blowing up in popularity. Everyone kinda just brushed off who owns TicTok. Time for something new to pop up.


im_a_dr_not_ t1_j0ct8oj wrote

Facebook, Instagram, Twitter all track you just the same. But that’s ok because you’re in America where they can actually use the data they mine against it you or sell it to the government. Meta’s Russian ties and funding is fine. Twitter’s Chinese ties and debt is fine (because of Elon). Twitter also owes money to the saudis (also Elon).


Sterisk- t1_j0c136j wrote

Yet, you're on reddit


SuicidalNapkin09 t1_j0dmglw wrote

Reddit is not a Chinese state controlled app


Sterisk- t1_j0e18dp wrote


Also not like reddit doesn't track you. You're acting like tiktok can control your phone when it has the same type of access like any other app.


SuicidalNapkin09 t1_j0e1il2 wrote

Lol at what point did I say these apps control your phone? I said tiktok is controlled and owned by the Chinese state. Reddit is not. Learn to read


naugest t1_j0akggj wrote

Pfft! Ultra nationalist trash talk


substance17 t1_j0anxhf wrote

why u got trash apps like TicTok (née TikTok) on ur devices brvh


TripleM1075 t1_j0cal8u wrote

For all I care, ban TikTok all together.


whyreadthis2035 t1_j0bjf82 wrote

Dammit. Good idea taking the app off govt devices. I didn’t know that would require an act of congress. I thought it was a straight up National ban. The problems are privacy laws and the straight up harm of social media addiction, especially for the young. Federal and state employee device controls are not really news.


nicuramar t1_j0dntd9 wrote

> The problems are privacy laws and the straight up harm of social media addiction, especially for the young

Yeah, but for the latter, you might also ban other social media. That's a pretty drastic measure in a fee country.


dremspider t1_j0bojke wrote

Having some experience with MDM and the government... I am pretty sure most agencies are already doing this. If they are following NIST guidance they are doing this. My guess is this is a performative senate vote of "look we are doing something". DOD already has policies around this. DHS then has control over the policies over a ton of other agencies of what must be followed as far as computer security. NIST provides "guidance" which is usually high level and is where the the specific rules come from.


owchippy t1_j0bt1oq wrote

Thank you for a sane & informed take on the subject. Was looking for someone who actually knew who/how MDM policy was currently being enforced. My guess was, not uniformly.


Numchuckx t1_j0bmw39 wrote

And why are these grow-ass politicians on Tiktok? Like wtf? I lose respect for adults when i see them on tiktok


Super_Cool_Rick t1_j0dk6r0 wrote

Imo, TikTok is "digital fentanyl" and should be banned from the US. The China version only has educational content whereas here it's loaded with addictive content that can negatively influence people.


nicuramar t1_j0dodtn wrote

> The China version only has educational content

That seems very unlikely to be true. Can you substantiate that? Also, whatever restrictions China has for its citizens, is hardly a model worth following.


nicuramar t1_j0dqmb7 wrote

> Do you know how to use Google?

There is no reason to be upset when someone asks you to back up claims made.

The first link is Shaq sharing a “popular theory”?

The others ones talk mainly about the time restrictions, and talks about a different service, not Douyin.


Super_Cool_Rick t1_j0duz5h wrote

I don't know what you're looking for, or your level of intellect, so I copied/pasted the first few popular sources. It seems clear to me from these there are time limits and content restrictions on Douyin put in place by the CCCP for children in China under 14 to protect them from the detrimental effects of the platform. These limits are not in place for Western countries, presumably because China wants it that way, for reasons that could range from addicting children to the platform to using the platform for mass influence among Western youth. There are many more articles form different sources like this one, that you can find on your own if you are truly curious about this.


Super_Cool_Rick t1_j0dpllu wrote

"Also, whatever restrictions China has for its citizens, is hardly a model worth following."

You mean how China gives kids time limits and only educational content instead of dance videos and soft porn? Please substantiate.


nicuramar t1_j0dq4qg wrote

You forgot to cite something to back up the claim that Douyin only shows educational content. Obviously not all restrictions are bad, but in general, restrictions imposed upon the citizens by an authoritarian government aren’t a model to follow.


cadillacbee t1_j0eqh7x wrote

For the sake of humanity, ban it all together


rdldr1 t1_j0bt7c9 wrote

If government owned mobile devices aren’t locked down by IT then we have a bigger problem.


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rdldr1 t1_j0cpku2 wrote

You've still gotta prepare for the worst case scenario where everybody is dumb.


Kai_Ba_Bird_Up t1_j0cglcx wrote

What fucking moron is using their company phone for social media of any kind? Let alone that Chinese spyware.


MrMichaelJames t1_j0d1b8a wrote

This is a good thing, gov't owned devices should be heavily locked down, they don't need tiktok or any social media to do their work unless they are in the social media departments.


bno000 t1_j0e075d wrote

I work for the state government in Australia. My work phone has 2 apps. Outlook and teams.


stoudman t1_j0eu6l9 wrote

Truly the kind of legislation that matters. Now 0.4% of the smartphone market in the US can no longer use TikTok. So glad we're paying for these clowns to pass the legislation that really matters.

Healthcare plz.


ionian12 t1_j0fqvek wrote

Can senate members, staff or partners of staff watch a tiktok that has been emailed or forwarded to them?


jemandtheholograms t1_j0bvh8j wrote

Who tf installs TikTok on a work phone?


R_Meyer1 t1_j0fdntv wrote

Lots of companies you TikTok, Facebook, Instagram for advertising. Come back when you’re better educated.


saanity t1_j0cesga wrote

This move makes more sense than the outright banning of TikTok from the public. It makes sense government employees should be protected against Chinese data collection. But we the public should be protected from all unauthorized data collection.

Remove be all social media apps from your phones.


nicuramar t1_j0doady wrote

You don't feel that's a pretty drastic measure in a free country, to ban an entire category of software, essentially?


saanity t1_j14ag7w wrote

To me it's kind of like banning smoking. There is only negative health benefits and it's another tool for governments to directly engage in psyops. read this


Sgt484 t1_j0eebmy wrote

That’s what trump wanted


R_Meyer1 t1_j0fdkbu wrote

No Trump’s corrupt ass wanted to ban it nationwide on every device for everyone.


OldMadhatter-100 t1_j0f3qf7 wrote

Don't have or like tiktoc. I believe it is an evil 😈 app.