Jdobalina t1_j4rlb0n wrote on January 17, 2023 at 7:50 PM

Reply to comment by lecali4011atdrloutan in Industrial espionage: How China sneaks out America's technology secrets by sankscan

We’ve outsourced so much of our manufacturing and labor to China it’s insane. You reap what you sow. Corporations wanted cheap labor and goods, and they sent it to a country the US routinely insult sand derides. You can’t have it both ways. You can’t tell us China is an authoritarian hellhole, and then outsource that much labor and manufacturing to them, because then you’re complicit in human rights abuses. But then Again, the US has never really cared about that.

lecali4011atdrloutan t1_j4saicd wrote on January 17, 2023 at 10:25 PM

I think you are mostly right. However the consequence of this won’t hurt just corporations. People work at those jobs and have their stock. I think you are wrong about human rights though. You don’t have to travel to much to see that the US has much greater respect for human rights that most other countries.

Jdobalina t1_j4skwui wrote on January 17, 2023 at 11:35 PM

Anybody that has routinely aided in the overthrowing of democratically elected governments, has invaded more countries in the last 60 years than anyone, has lied their way to a war in Iraq that killed nearly a million people (many of them civilians) has carried out experiments on unwilling participants, who exploits child labor to maximize profits, does not have universal healthcare, has black site torture prisons around the world, no guaranteed maternity leave, routinely allows children to be murdered in schools , and has more people imprisoned than any other country in the world per capita doesn’t care about human rights.

lecali4011atdrloutan t1_j4sqn3b wrote on January 18, 2023 at 12:14 AM

Do you see any positives on the other side of the scale? Freeing Eastern Europe from totalitarianism? Saving Kuwait from extirpation? Protecting Ukraine and Taiwanese independence? Providing a middle class living to 100s of millions? Eliminating more dictators than the rest of the world combined? Just want to know what you think about the positive role the US has played in promoting human rights. There are a lot of girls in Afghanistan who remember what being in a classroom was like

Jdobalina t1_j4szfze wrote on January 18, 2023 at 1:16 AM

The same Afghanistan where we gave weapons and money to the Mujahideen, and drug traffickers like Gulbuddin Hekmatyar? (Operation Cyclone) Who had a nasty habit of splashing acid in women’s faces? The same Afghanistan who, after being there for twenty years, we simply looted their central bank?

Also, for every dictator we have ever removed, we’ve propped up three more. Whether in Latin America (operation condor), or in the Middle East, or Africa, or Asia (the Jakarta method).

Countless invasions, coups, drone strikes, economic sanctions, blockades, assassinations and what do we have to show for it? Being the worldwide arbiters of violence doesn’t seem to be doing this nation any good right now.

lecali4011atdrloutan t1_j4tpvyh wrote on January 18, 2023 at 4:33 AM

You dodged my question. We gave weapons to isi to fight the evil empire. Not because they were liberal reformers. Real life has risks. The us bombed a medical factory in Sudan. Why??? Because the goal was just. In the real world there are unknowns and mistakes. It’s nice and easy to sit back and judge with hindsight. Without exception the dictators the us killed were more repressive than the us. It’s funny to hear you say the us stopped saddam. Tried to stop Castro. Killed gaddaffi and but we’re somehow worse? Do you know anything about how repressive the north Vietnamese were?