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Snl1738 t1_j4rwk86 wrote

Reply to comment by lecali4011atdrloutan in Industrial espionage: How China sneaks out America's technology secrets by sankscan

It's hard to be sympathetic to entities that avoid paying taxes, pay their actual workers poorly, cut benefits, make health care expensive, lobby politicians to take away workers' rights, and pays their ceos millions. Anyway, I and you are way more likely to be screwed over by an American corporation than some Chinese state owned enterprise.

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lecali4011atdrloutan t1_j4sazhb wrote

I think we mostly agree. But the costs of losing to Chinese companies will hurt us citizens too. A windmill maker shut down bc is tech was stolen by China. (Simplistically). That is foreboding.

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GoldWallpaper t1_j4t6h7s wrote

> But the costs of losing to Chinese companies will hurt us citizens too.

Funny, that's what some of us tried to argue in the '90s. China is an industrial superpower because the US -- under President Bill Clinton, and a Republican Congress joined by conservative Dems including Biden -- decided that outsourcing US jobs to China was a great idea. Those of us who fought against it were called anti-business socialist liars at the time.

Ten years after that we were called terrorist traitors for speaking out agains the Iraq War, which was also supported by a Republican Congress and joined by conservative Dems including Biden (and HR Clinton).

Being correct isn't that hard when the truth is so fucking obvious.

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lecali4011atdrloutan t1_j4tqcrg wrote

Don’t simplify things. There is a different between buying toys and textiles from China and medicines and computers. Early on it was win win. Now it’s dangerous. There is more on the line now. I suggest we disengage and I’ll bet you’d agree. Not sure why Iraq came up but cool.

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Snl1738 t1_j4sdbj9 wrote

And you and I benefit through cheaper wind power, which is a wonderful thing.

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lecali4011atdrloutan t1_j4soeep wrote

Interesting point. So the US pays for all the r and d and then Chinese companies steal it? Do you think that is a net positive given the huge scale of the theft?

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