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erosram t1_j4rp3px wrote

“According to a Department of Justice (DOJ) indictment, the US citizen hid confidential files stolen from his employers in the binary code of a digital photograph of a sunset, which Mr Zheng then mailed to himself.”

Dang, one researcher said that one Chinese coworker they had spent so much time with, that they were like best friends and their kids grew up together, turned out to be on the communist pay roll.

Looks like they’re targeting every industry, from big cities to small towns in America right now. Didn’t realize it was this bad.

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antigonemerlin t1_j4t8rbx wrote

>the US citizen hid confidential files stolen from his employers in the binary code of a digital photograph of a sunset, which Mr Zheng then mailed to himself

That reads like something out of a spy novel. You'd think from xkcd that nobody actually uses advanced cryptography in real life, but here we are.

On a related note, China is amping up its recruiting efforts in Canada too. I had the good sense to stay as far away as possible from the very sad people who act as CCP mouthpieces, but when you see it in the real world...

You know the old saying that it's a recession when your neighbor loses their job? I don't know what the equivalent is for espionage, but this has just gotten real.

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Amondupe t1_j4u8cdl wrote

>Dang, one researcher said that one Chinese coworker they had spent so much time with, that they were like best friends and their kids grew up together, turned out to be on the communist pay roll.

Are there any cases where such espionage is done by non-Chinese origin Americans? If so, what is the split.

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the_mellojoe t1_j4qy7i2 wrote

So much manufacturing is sent to China, it doesn't seem like a big step to just keep those lines running after the sale and then keep some for yourself and then reverse engineer it.

So, what secrets? America voluntarily sends information on a regular basis.

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erosram t1_j4rnhtv wrote

Look at chip manufacturing. Sure, the Chinese are actually creating the chips, but the technology to make the laser heads that print the chips are where the truly valuable information and engineering lie. Not as easy to backwards engineer even though they’re technically printing all of the chips people use around the world.

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brap_za t1_j4s58mh wrote

One of the shittier things about China's theft is they never improve upon the stolen idea. They just copy down to the nuts and bolts and slap a nonsensical logo on it.

Functionally this means their adversaries have nothing to gain by trying to steal their ideas other than to see what China has already stolen.

I guess it's 4D chess...

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Scapenator1 t1_j4q0ei1 wrote

Why don't they figure it out themselves instead of stealing??

They only keep acknowledging USA's massive superiority to China this way. Smh

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GhostriderCBX t1_j4qbeel wrote

The real problem is their reliability. China suffers from the same inadequacies of reliability that Russia suffers. Especially when it comes to military technology. While they may have fifth generation fighters they don’t have the quantity or the quality of component tree. They don’t do night carrier landings or aired air combat tactics like red flag. They also are a society build on constantly growing. They are essentially the same power as the Soviet union a giant military complex that requires that sums of money to maintain prosperity. In the long run they cannot compete with capitalism so the hope is they can starve out the west

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blastuponsometerries t1_j4rpd1p wrote

Or just funnel money to politicians promising to cut Western investments and education.

Then pump money into social media propaganda (tik toc and others) to spread disinfo and division.

Seems pretty effective to me.

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exgiexpcv t1_j4tjxht wrote

Because if they can -- at least temporarily -- achieve parity with the U.S., then their economic power can be used to destroy our economy and completely take over the world. It is their stated goal.

They don't have to be original, they don't have to come up with new technologies, they just have to steal them and use their economic base to make clones, and we will have done their work for them.

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Head-Mathematician53 t1_j4ybq13 wrote

I have this theory that we're all building and doing the work for future AI if and when it becomes 'live' if it already isn't... At this point, I think AI will start working out the convoluted technical problems for various fields.

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Kaionacho t1_j4sp5ui wrote

Why spend so much energy inventing the wheel if it already exists somewhere else. Try to copy the existing design and then maybe improve on it.

It honestly is the only smart thing to do

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Snl1738 t1_j4q4ffv wrote

I'm going to play the world's smallest violin for the American corporations.

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lecali4011atdrloutan t1_j4r30xz wrote

Good. You’re gonna need a job once those corporations close because their ip was stolen to make cheap Chinese copies.

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Jdobalina t1_j4rlb0n wrote

We’ve outsourced so much of our manufacturing and labor to China it’s insane. You reap what you sow. Corporations wanted cheap labor and goods, and they sent it to a country the US routinely insult sand derides. You can’t have it both ways. You can’t tell us China is an authoritarian hellhole, and then outsource that much labor and manufacturing to them, because then you’re complicit in human rights abuses. But then Again, the US has never really cared about that.

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lecali4011atdrloutan t1_j4saicd wrote

I think you are mostly right. However the consequence of this won’t hurt just corporations. People work at those jobs and have their stock. I think you are wrong about human rights though. You don’t have to travel to much to see that the US has much greater respect for human rights that most other countries.

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Jdobalina t1_j4skwui wrote

Anybody that has routinely aided in the overthrowing of democratically elected governments, has invaded more countries in the last 60 years than anyone, has lied their way to a war in Iraq that killed nearly a million people (many of them civilians) has carried out experiments on unwilling participants, who exploits child labor to maximize profits, does not have universal healthcare, has black site torture prisons around the world, no guaranteed maternity leave, routinely allows children to be murdered in schools , and has more people imprisoned than any other country in the world per capita doesn’t care about human rights.

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lecali4011atdrloutan t1_j4sqn3b wrote

Do you see any positives on the other side of the scale? Freeing Eastern Europe from totalitarianism? Saving Kuwait from extirpation? Protecting Ukraine and Taiwanese independence? Providing a middle class living to 100s of millions? Eliminating more dictators than the rest of the world combined? Just want to know what you think about the positive role the US has played in promoting human rights. There are a lot of girls in Afghanistan who remember what being in a classroom was like

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Jdobalina t1_j4szfze wrote

The same Afghanistan where we gave weapons and money to the Mujahideen, and drug traffickers like Gulbuddin Hekmatyar? (Operation Cyclone) Who had a nasty habit of splashing acid in women’s faces? The same Afghanistan who, after being there for twenty years, we simply looted their central bank?

Also, for every dictator we have ever removed, we’ve propped up three more. Whether in Latin America (operation condor), or in the Middle East, or Africa, or Asia (the Jakarta method).

Countless invasions, coups, drone strikes, economic sanctions, blockades, assassinations and what do we have to show for it? Being the worldwide arbiters of violence doesn’t seem to be doing this nation any good right now.

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lecali4011atdrloutan t1_j4tpvyh wrote

You dodged my question. We gave weapons to isi to fight the evil empire. Not because they were liberal reformers. Real life has risks. The us bombed a medical factory in Sudan. Why??? Because the goal was just. In the real world there are unknowns and mistakes. It’s nice and easy to sit back and judge with hindsight. Without exception the dictators the us killed were more repressive than the us. It’s funny to hear you say the us stopped saddam. Tried to stop Castro. Killed gaddaffi and but we’re somehow worse? Do you know anything about how repressive the north Vietnamese were?

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Snl1738 t1_j4rwk86 wrote

It's hard to be sympathetic to entities that avoid paying taxes, pay their actual workers poorly, cut benefits, make health care expensive, lobby politicians to take away workers' rights, and pays their ceos millions. Anyway, I and you are way more likely to be screwed over by an American corporation than some Chinese state owned enterprise.

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lecali4011atdrloutan t1_j4sazhb wrote

I think we mostly agree. But the costs of losing to Chinese companies will hurt us citizens too. A windmill maker shut down bc is tech was stolen by China. (Simplistically). That is foreboding.

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GoldWallpaper t1_j4t6h7s wrote

> But the costs of losing to Chinese companies will hurt us citizens too.

Funny, that's what some of us tried to argue in the '90s. China is an industrial superpower because the US -- under President Bill Clinton, and a Republican Congress joined by conservative Dems including Biden -- decided that outsourcing US jobs to China was a great idea. Those of us who fought against it were called anti-business socialist liars at the time.

Ten years after that we were called terrorist traitors for speaking out agains the Iraq War, which was also supported by a Republican Congress and joined by conservative Dems including Biden (and HR Clinton).

Being correct isn't that hard when the truth is so fucking obvious.

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lecali4011atdrloutan t1_j4tqcrg wrote

Don’t simplify things. There is a different between buying toys and textiles from China and medicines and computers. Early on it was win win. Now it’s dangerous. There is more on the line now. I suggest we disengage and I’ll bet you’d agree. Not sure why Iraq came up but cool.

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Snl1738 t1_j4sdbj9 wrote

And you and I benefit through cheaper wind power, which is a wonderful thing.

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lecali4011atdrloutan t1_j4soeep wrote

Interesting point. So the US pays for all the r and d and then Chinese companies steal it? Do you think that is a net positive given the huge scale of the theft?

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exgiexpcv t1_j4tk7le wrote

It's democracy and freedom that's at stake. Have you seen how the CCP treats their own people? Imagine how they'll treat us.

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