BadLuckLottery t1_j6mr8qk wrote
Reply to comment by DMarquesPT in Activation Lock is a great feature, but needs a rethink as 2020 Macs are turned into landfill by hugglenugget
> This is not Apple’s fault.
They decided to put their customer's property rights (and likely Apple's profits) above the sustainability of their product.
I'm not saying that's a "bad" tradeoff but it is a choice they made so it is arguably their "fault". Theft deterrents aren't a free lunch.
amanset t1_j6msmf1 wrote
The only choice was in IT managers not wiping and deactivating the lock.
Robot_Basilisk t1_j6n1p7u wrote
Did they choose that, or did their companies make the decision? It's easy to imagine an MBA telling an IT worker not to waste time on something that's not going to generate obvious, immediate value for the company even if it's the right thing to do.
Timbershoe t1_j6ng3zn wrote
If you read the article it states a major reason is they are given for secure disposal.
The resellers want to unlock them for resale, but can’t, which is exactly the reason the lock exists.
Robot_Basilisk t1_j6nwmn1 wrote
You didn't answer the question.
Timbershoe t1_j6nyp5z wrote
Seriously?
You could just read the article, but okay.
Some of the companies made the decision to withhold the activation lock, as they specifically and deliberately do not want the machine reused.
To answer your specific question, the article does not specify if that was the IT manager or the company as a whole. It’s a mystery that you’ll never get an answer to, and it’ll eat away at you until the day you die.
DMarquesPT t1_j6mzmhj wrote
This doesn’t make Apple products any less “sustainable”. Simply makes them more secure, but that security can easily be disabled by the original owner when reselling.
That’s like saying if someone sells a car without the key, the car is less sustainable because the new owner can’t use it without the key.
Maybe it never should have been sold without the key in the first place.
Aperron t1_j6n2zcm wrote
If keyless but otherwise drivable cars were piling up in storage lots the way apple devices have been since iPads started featuring activation lock have been at recycling depots, they wouldn’t start shredding all the cars up, they’d be changing out the ignition tumblers and coding new keys.
There’s no reason a server side mechanism at Apple can’t be put in place to release activation lock after notifying the registered email address and a waiting period passing with no response. As part of such an unlock, a secure erase of the storage would mean there are no security implications and usable hardware would be diverted from becoming needless waste.
SezitLykItiz t1_j6n77qk wrote
I can't believe you're serious right now. You're saying Apple should keep a database on when each computer was locked, and after a certain point automatically erase and unlock that computer.
For all we know the computer would have been in use the whole time and just not connected to the internet. I myself have a computer that's in my storage for one year and I don't want anyone touching it/erasing it. Yes I have back ups but I still dont want that.
Aperron t1_j6n7zr7 wrote
Apple already has a database matching devices with their iCloud email addresses that were used, that’s why it’s possible to log in and release the lock on your own devices.
All they need to do is have a web portal where a recycler can submit a list of serials for hardware they have, push an email or notification to the registered account and check if it’s been marked stolen using FindMy and allow an unlock and wipe if everything checks out after a set period of time.
SezitLykItiz t1_j6n8b2u wrote
The recycler can already do this without Apple's help.
Aperron t1_j6n8wzo wrote
No, they cannot. Sometimes they can even wipe the storage using the recovery boot menu, but as soon as the device contacts apple when connected to a network it’s going to prompt for iCloud credentials and not allow any further use without them.
You clearly have zero experience in this area, this is and has been a very well known issue with iPads entering the waste stream for a very long time, and everyone involved knew it was coming to computers as well when Apple announced the T2 chip and how it was going to be integrated with activation lock.
TbonerT t1_j6ngang wrote
A macbook can be stripped and the aluminum and battery recycled regardless of the activation lock.
BadLuckLottery t1_j6nlms4 wrote
Sure but re-use of electronics is way, way more efficient than recycle.
TbonerT t1_j6nuuim wrote
Yes, but don’t let perfect be the enemy of good.
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