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CMG30 t1_j6ipjjm wrote

A great argument about why not just unions, but strong unions are necessary. If that's not on the cards then government needs to step in and break up these behemoths. Actually, both needs to happen.

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GetOutOfTheWhey t1_j6jciat wrote

Unions might help but I honestly dont know how this will play out.

They arent exactly workers in the traditional sense.

"As in you unionize? Fuck it I'll just hire someone from India or Estonia to do your job. Still want to unionize?" Then throw in the typical "I'll make sure you will never work in this town ever again!" except instead of town, they might say something like industry because of how irrelevant location is.

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maskedmage77 t1_j6kig7m wrote

There is a flaw in that statement. If an employer could hire someone from India or Estonia they would have already done it to save money. The working class hold all the cards but are too disorganized and misinformed to use them.

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tickleMyBigPoop t1_j6lqg2p wrote

> India or Estonia they would have already done it to save money.

Well there’s a reason why firms are engaging in more aggressive offshoring.

There’s also a point where if you need a remote job done and an American wants 2x the salary of a European to do the job….and way more than that of an Indian well it makes sense just to hire multiple people overseas even if you lose some of the benefits of having them onshore.

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Budget-Government-52 t1_j6mf8gz wrote

Honestly, these jobs are likely paying far more than 2x Europeans. Tech salaries in America are at least 2x Canada, they can often be 3-4x many European countries. When you include stock grants, perks, etc, these are damn expensive employees.

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Skreat t1_j6m3fze wrote

Unions can’t force employers to keep members employed, if they downsize, reorganize or need to cut headcount a union can’t stop that.

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rarius18 t1_j6ki87a wrote

I’m a dev and I won’t join a union. Two years is the maximum I would work at a company - big Google or tiny startup, on average it is 2 years per company (for me). It is quite common in the tech industry. I don’t want to be bound by salary ceiling based on seniority, like so many other unions work. I don’t want to pay union dues. There probably other reasons as well. Like heck, if you got canned, really what seems to be problem here? There are lots of job for techies out there. It probably won’t as much as Google did, but that’s fine, still it ain’t like there aren’t jobs out there.

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