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sirmoosh t1_j695uu2 wrote

Boo. There's going to be a lot of frustrations around the TPM stuff still, even if it should be supported by most devices.


CocodaMonkey t1_j6bj4r8 wrote

TPM isn't even close to being supported by most devices.This isn't the 90's. 5 year old computers are very capable these days and tons of offices/homes have them. Back in the 90's your computer was old if it was 3, by 5 it was ancient that simply isn't the case anymore.


rstbckt t1_j6cktme wrote

I remember that. It's crazy to think how expensive computers were back then only to be slow and mostly worthless just a few years later. Today my 15" 2015 MacBook Pro and Lenovo ThinkPad T440P from 2013 are still going strong and with SSDs and lots of memory are just about as capable as they were when new thanks to their core i7s.


empirebuilder1 t1_j6bu751 wrote

They're only removing the ability to buy product keys. It will not affect download of the actual install media, which just means everyone staying on win10 will end up using the pirate activation methods that are already all over the internet.


dynamic424 t1_j69fuv7 wrote

Not like anybody was buying them anyways.


dt531 t1_j6als6h wrote

Lots of gaming motherboards don’t have a TPM. Win11 requires a TPM. Does this mean that those PCs are useless?


wowmuchdoggo t1_j6bffet wrote

Nah I just said screw it and finally made the push to Linux


Much_Writing_7575 t1_j6bw74e wrote

Good luck with that because Microsoft is working on buying out Linux and FOSS generally and they plan to have that hostile takeover done within ten years.

The way this works is they start making donations and contributing code to a FOSS project. Then once the project becomes dependent on their donations, they withhold the donations until the organization is forced to sell out to them. Then they disband the organization and patent all of their assets.


tripplebeamteam t1_j6bzonh wrote

You can’t “Buy out” Linux. Maybe what you’re describing could happen with a particular distro, but there will always be devs who create true FOSS and resist corporate interference.


wowmuchdoggo t1_j6dqkl0 wrote

Pleas explain to me how Microsoft is going to buy out free and open source files lmao. You sound like a Microsoft fan boy with no actual idea of what they are talking about 😉


xNaquada t1_j6asidp wrote

No. Every modern processor has fTPM that is compliant with TPM spec. Bitlocker encryption (Win 10+11) and Windows 11 OS itself work perfectly fine with it.

TPM basically moved from a discrete feature on consumer motherboards into a feature integrated into processors.


dontshowmegarbage t1_j6avjzg wrote

If the windows tool tells you you’re not compatible you probably just have to turn it on in bios. That was my experience at least.


Much_Writing_7575 t1_j6bvyy9 wrote

A TPM chip is a physical piece of hardware.

If your computer doesn't have it, no amount of changing things in the BIOS will fix that.


major_cupcakeV2 t1_j6c0goj wrote

All newer CPUs have integrated TPM modules, those are just baked into the CPU itself. Intel markets it as Intel PTT, AMD markets it as fTPM


drysart t1_j6c4srg wrote

> A TPM chip is a physical piece of hardware.

Not anymore. It's integrated right into the CPU nowadays; and especially since we're talking about "gaming" motherboards, we're also talking about "gaming" CPUs (i.e., not bargain basement stuff), and every gaming CPU sold in at least the past 5-8 years has it.

And if that's too vague for you, then there's a simpler statement: every CPU officially supported by Windows 11 has the requisite TPM built in. (Most BIOSes shipped until very very recently disabled it by default though, so if a hardware compatibility tool tells you that you don't have a TPM despite having a supported CPU, you just need to boot into the BIOS and enable it.)


Much_Writing_7575 t1_j6bvu4t wrote

Yes, Microsoft wants everyone to throw out their computers and buy new ones that they can control.

Their plan is to make Windows into a slot machine where you can't get anything done without putting in your credit card and letting them nickel and dime you for every single action.

They'll give you the OS for free but then every time you try to do something there will be a different charge for it.

Total integration of OneDrive into their OS is a key part of this strategy. Their goal is to make storing data locally frustrating and nearly impossible. That's why right now it takes six steps to get to a local storage location in any Office location to save a file.

Then eventually they intend to eliminate the ability to store data locally altogether so that if you fail to pay they can hold your data for ransom until you cough up.


rastilin t1_j6ipc8g wrote

I don't get why you're being downvoted, you're spot on. Microsoft will make using local files and locally installed software progressively more frustrating in favor of cloud services. That's the plan, and TPM will become a DRM system that will be used to enforce that.


major_cupcakeV2 t1_j6c0cjh wrote

All Intel (6th gen and newer) and AMD CPUs (Zen or newer) officially compatible with Windows 11 contain Firmware TPMs (Intel markets it as intel PTT, and AMD markets it as fTPM), so you don't need to buy TPM modules, because there is one already included in your system.


contributes_n0thing t1_j6ah9ds wrote

I've bought Vista twice, several Win7's, 1 Win8, but no Win10 that's on several of my Windows boot drives now. Windows is more of a curiosity now than anything else.