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E_fubar t1_j4v0zd7 wrote

I dont know why your getting downvoted. Im not an anti vaxxer, I got my covid shot, and what you are saying is 100% correct. The CDC and the pharmaceutical companies are so untrustworthy. When did it start to become cool to trust whatever big business and the government said? Its like the worlds been flipped upside-down


ZooZooChaCha t1_j4wtmej wrote

It’s ok to question big business and the government. However in the case of Covid and the vaccines both the CDC, scientists and doctors have shown that the vaccines are safe. There are always going to be edge cases and side effects.

The people doing the questioning now are not doing so in good faith. They are being shown evidence of it not causing harm and will only accept it if they are shown proof that it is.

You have DeSantis today declaring that the vaccines are dangerous and don’t work - Gee big 180 from when he was urging every senior in FL to get the shot & even appeared with a WWII vet to promote the vaccine saying the vaccine will protect you and reduce your risk of getting a serious case.


E_fubar t1_j4xro21 wrote

Touché! I think I have a problem with people in general more so than their politics…. Maybe thats why I dont have a lot of friends hahaha


ZooZooChaCha t1_j4yf2a2 wrote

I think that was the hardest part of Covid for me. A total loss of faith in humanity. I get that it was confusing and a complicated evolving situation. But I had good friends, people I went to college with, telling me the entire thing was a hoax and made up.

It made me realize that there is zero hope of us solving the other serious problems we are facing like climate change & sea level rise. If we can ignore hundreds of thousands of people dying around us, how are we going to stop something so gradual like sea level rise. The last man in Florida will be standing on his roof as the final wave crests screaming sea level rise is a liberal hoax.


Mundane_Library_6995 t1_j4ykoh7 wrote

Where exactly are the studies showing it's safe? How come these companies are completely protected from liability if side effects show up on their barely tested products? Why are the booster shots being investigated for stroke risk now, when people have been saying this is a problem for a long time now? I'm not anti vaccine at all, they have saved tons and tons of life and completely eradicated diseases, however I am against the government forcing mandates to take a shot with no long term studies done whatsoever, an experimental one at that. You guys can do what you want w your bodies, but it's a no from me


ZooZooChaCha t1_j4yr624 wrote

Where is the evidence showing it’s not? I see a lot of political grandstanding and quotes from non reputable sources of someone who knows someone who heard that another someone’s brother totally dropped dead after getting vaccinated. But zero evidence of wide spread side effects from the vaccines.

And just because something is being investigated doesn’t mean there is something there. The CDC noted a trend that could point to an increased risk of stroke in people over 65 and is now going to investigate further.

I believe DeSantis made a huge fanfare about launching an investigation into vaccine side effects. If this investigation finds something worthwhile, by all means hold companies liable or figure out what went wrong. But if it turns up nothing and slowly fades away to a quick footnote of “DeSantis vaccine side effect commission finds nothing” then stop referencing it as “Well why is the government of Florida looking into vaccine side effects!?!?”


Mundane_Library_6995 t1_j4ysz7b wrote

That's not how this works, if you're claiming a brand new medicine is safe and the government is forcing people to get it or effectively ostracizing them from society If they don't, then you damn well should have proof and research to stand on. The person making a claim has to provide proof, in this case it's something that can effect millions and millions so it's even more pertinent. They put out a new medication and got rich off it, they have to prove it's safe, I don't have to prove it isn't. I don't think there's been any studies done on the side effects of it so yeah no shit there isn't any evidence and it's all anecdotal. I guess time will tell. Just know our government has it set up that big pharma businesses like this can't be help liable at all for side effects if they do occur so I guess they don't have to bother proving it's safety. I don't have proof its safe or not safe either way, neither do you but people like you love to throw claims around and act all self righteous. Just keep believing everything you hear and trust the government completely, I'm sure everything is gonna work out just great. So like you said scientists have proven it's safe, show me the studies like you claimed


ZooZooChaCha t1_j4ywekw wrote

Omg what right wing dystopia fantasy land do you live in where the government forced and ostracized people who didn’t get the vaccine? The types of mandates people are losing their minds over have existed for decades.