Submitted by StarChild413 t3_1171am2 in television
Calcutec_1 t1_j9f7lwr wrote
Reply to comment by Zero_ST in Why is it that a lot of TV shows these days have really poor sound mixing by StarChild413
please tell me how you connect a speaker directly to a modern TV ?
Zero_ST t1_j9f8ueu wrote
By plugging them into the aux port.
Calcutec_1 t1_j9fa2qf wrote
what aux port ?
You mean the sp-dif optical out ?
I don't know any speakers who support that directly.
or are you just using the headphone out ?
Zero_ST t1_j9fajne wrote
The 3.5 mm jack, that is generally called the aux port. This is pretty basic stuff.
Calcutec_1 t1_j9fbf98 wrote
First of all, no it's generally called the phones or headphones OUT port. Auxiliary ports are what you plug IN to for example amplifiers to connect an music source ie a phone or iPod.
Second, those ports are made to be used with headphones with have a lot lower impedance than speakers or amplifiers, so you it's not optimal for sound quality to use them for other things than headphones.
Third, you are still just amplifying the Stereo signal, so you are not getting substantial benefits in vocal clarity, you need to separate the signal for that to happen, by having at least a centre speaker and then L & R speakers, or a sounder that does that virtually.
and forth, learn to recognise when you are speaking to someone who knows more than you on the subject, and learn instead of argue.
Zero_ST t1_j9fccma wrote
>someone who knows more than you on the subject
Uh huh. Except...
>you can't connect only speakers to a tv
>those ports are made to be used with headphones
So which one is it? You can't connect speakers to a TV at all or you can but it's not made for it? Which is wrong anyway as they're typically labelled audio out, not headphones.
>you are still just amplifying the Stereo signal, so you are not getting substantial benefits in vocal clarity
And yeah, that's the whole point of this thread. Most people aren't audio nerds with top of the range systems, and sound design should account for that.
Calcutec_1 t1_j9fdi8x wrote
> Most people aren't audio nerds with top of the range systems, and sound design should account for that.
sigh.. even my 80 something year old parents got a soundbar, it does not take an "audio nerd"
as for your other "points". if you refuse to learn how to do things properly for good results, then that's your business.
Zero_ST t1_j9fdum2 wrote
You have fundamentally missed the entire point of this thread.
>>>you can't connect only speakers to a tv
>>>those ports are made to be used with headphones
>>So which one is it? You can't connect speakers to a TV at all or you can but it's not made for it?
Now would you care to answer the question?
Calcutec_1 t1_j9fedfj wrote
sure, IF you have self powered speakers, you can connect ONE to the phones out port, that's not ideal though as I´ve mentioned. if you want to connect TWO you'd need a mixer in-between.
neither option will give you good sound. A Soundbar would be both cheaper, less hassle, and give you a LOT better sound.
Zero_ST t1_j9ff92q wrote
Jesus titty fucking Christ, I don't understand how you can be so wrong. One speaker connects to the TV, the other speaker connects to the first one. This is how active speakers have always worked.
And you are still missing the point.
Calcutec_1 t1_j9ffsea wrote
what kinda speakers are you even talking about ? PC speakers ? Do you have a link ? im really curios what kind of redneck engineering setup you are picturing
Zero_ST t1_j9fi9lk wrote
Calcutec_1 t1_j9fjqvs wrote
I clicked the first example and it's a pair of 400$ speakers with arc support, with means you connect them with HDMI just like a soundbar or an AVR.
So I don't even know what we are arguing about, as these are speakers with built in AVR possibilities, not just some speakers connected to the phones out..
Zero_ST t1_j9fmt3r wrote
Not for me. Maybe look at one of the other millions of results.
Calcutec_1 t1_j9fngwc wrote
nah im good, I can't bother with people who refuse to take advice, and just stubbornly ramble on about things they obviously know very little about.
Zero_ST t1_j9focws wrote
Right... coming from the person who doesn't even know what active speakers are, that means absolutely nothing.
Calcutec_1 t1_j9fui6w wrote
Please.. I´ve owned multiple active speakers wich I've used with various DAW´s. I´m also an audio engineer and a music producer and I´ve been wiring speakers and electronic music gear since I was a kid.
You refuse to take advice, and also refuse to give examples or evidence for what I gather is daisy chaining cheap pc speakers to the headphone output of TV´s.
Honestly I hope you are just trolling me, because the alternative is too sad.
Zero_ST t1_j9fx6qh wrote
>>Jesus titty fucking Christ, I don't understand how you can be so wrong.
>>https://www.google.com/search?q=active+speakers
>>Right... coming from the person who doesn't even know what active speakers are, that means absolutely nothing.
Calcutec_1 t1_j9fxe2j wrote
yes, you've said that already, what are you trying to say with this c/p ?
Zero_ST t1_j9fxm1e wrote
If you're going to be too lazy to read then I'm going to be too lazy to post an original comment.
Calcutec_1 t1_j9fxy6j wrote
What do you mean ? I´ve read and answered everything you've said.
Zero_ST t1_j9fy902 wrote
>sure, IF you have self powered speakers, you can connect ONE to the phones out port, that's not ideal though as I´ve mentioned. if you want to connect TWO you'd need a mixer in-between.
You obviously haven't, otherwise you as a so-called "audio engineer" would understand how active speakers work.
Calcutec_1 t1_j9fzpxh wrote
Active means that the speaker has a built in amplifier. That can range from tiny PC speakers like you got in the 90´s with your tower PC, those have one 3.5mm jack plug usually, and up to professional studio monitors, like I´ve owned, who connect individually with a balanced jack or xlr cables. And also like I mentioned before, large speakers with arc support through HDMI
You have not told me what kind of speakers you claim you are connecting, you just hammer on saying "active" like that is some magic word.
Zero_ST t1_j9g1gmx wrote
Here's the first result of the Google search for me: https://www.richersounds.com/pioneer-dm40.html
They don't look like tiny PC speakers to me. And s you're apparently having difficulty understanding how they connect there are handy photos too.
Now let's recap. You said speakers couldn't be attached to a TV, I said they could. You asked how, I said using 3.5 mm. You said that must be one speaker only (???), I said it's both. You asked what type of speakers, I gave you a Google link. You couldn't be bothered to at millions of results that show you. I've now given you a direct link to one of them. You said they must be "tiny PC speakers" despite that being irrelevant to your claim that no speakers can be attached to a TV. The link shows that they aren't, and it wouldn't even matter if they were.
So what goalpost are you going to move next to try to avoid admitting you're wrong?
Calcutec_1 t1_j9g27dp wrote
thank you for finally provide a relevant link.
Yes these are fine speakers.. for music. They will do nothing for the level of dialogue from your TV. Which I believe was the original topic here.
And remember, all of this could have been avoided if you'd just started by saying you were connecting a speaker set to the headphone output, instead of me having to pull out bits of information piece by piece until I finally get an image of what you were trying to set up.
Zero_ST t1_j9g3p9j wrote
They absolutely do help with dialogue, as I know and as u/nilsy007 does. You didn't know what they were five minutes ago so any claim that they don't can be safely ignored as you literally have no idea what you're talking about.
Going back to his original comment, your reply that "everything you wrote is wrong. Like , factually wrong." can similarly be ignored.
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