The Velma show is actually good

Submitted by Humble_Re-roll t3_10yxox9 in television

I don't think anyone actually watched this and hating Velma has just become a meme at this point. But I watched the first episode, and it was good!

Well the other day my partner and I sat down to start the Last of Us, but it wasn't up yet, so we decided to put on Velma as a joke while we waited. Fully intending to laugh at how bad it was. We ended up laughing with the show instead of at it.

It's crude and lewd and gross, but it made me laugh.

I saw the screenshots that claimed the joke were basically just "white man bad" but they were so out of context. Velma is a bad person in the show. She's wrong about everything. Most of the characters are bad people. That's what the joke is. It's ironic humor.

And before you say anything, yeah, I've always been a scooby doo fan. I don't care the scoob isn't in it. I don't care that all the characters are different from how they used to be. Frankly, I prefer it this way rather than the same old shit. Give me a new spin on it. Just like how Mystery Inc was way different from previous incarnations.

TL;DR: Velma made me laugh.

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Seeking_the_Grail t1_j80x56w wrote

The problem with the show is that it is at times aggressively mean without being funny which makes it painful to watch at times. I don't think Mindy is a particularly good voice actress either.

Its a pretty bad show.

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Solid_Snark t1_j82seo1 wrote

I saw a YouTube review that covers this well.

If you have a character that is a rude jerk, you need a moment of growth where they learn and realize the error of their ways and, if they don’t change, they at least show a moment of empathy to their mocked victims… Velma’s character has no growth. She starts out a rude jerk and continues being a rude jerk throughout.

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Toxicity246 t1_j834gqp wrote

Or if it's like Seinfeld or Always Sunny, show these people getting their comeuppance.

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Rynetx t1_j83tgpm wrote

She has plenty of growth, that’s what the entire last 2 episodes are about. A lot of the characters have growth but Velma stops having hallucinations, finds out she’s bi sexual and has always had love for norville and stops treating him like shit.

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Solid_Snark t1_j84hffm wrote

She treats Fred like shit, then there’s an episode that shows how fucked Fred’s family is, and instead of being compassionate towards Fred after learning this new info, she still treats him like shit after.

Notice how I specifically mentioned how she treats her victims when I spoke of growth. She wasn’t really that mean to Shaggy, Fred was her main victim throughout the show since the opening few seconds. Her punching bag.

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Rynetx t1_j84qy0j wrote

She literally apologized to him after he frees her from the board she’s trapped on in the final episode. And shaggy isn’t in the series, not sure why you think she needs to apologize to him.

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SSJ3wiggy t1_j8fvw3d wrote

> And shaggy isn’t in the series

You knew exactly what they meant and you still decided to respond like a sarcastic ass.

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Rynetx t1_j8g4wk1 wrote

Actually no, shaggy and norville are 2 completely different characters. If anything shaggy is his dad as he has the same hair style minus the beard. He’s also a good cook and smokes weed. There’s also a flashback were he meets norvilles grandmother and there’s a shot that look’s literally ripped out of the old scooby doo shows. He was also tested for the s.c.o.o.b.y project which ties into the scooby doo and shaggy link.

Shaggy is a stoner slacker wimp who has a dog. Norville is a nerdy good doer who likes to play with swords and has way more courage. He literally repels done and deflects a bullet with a sword.

Maybe if you watched the show you wouldn’t be the ass in this situation.

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Mirororim t1_j8q8ex0 wrote

>Shaggy is a stoner slacker wimp who has a dog.

No, Shaggy is a guy that solves mysteries with his friend Fred, Velma, and Daphne in a van that Fred owns.

Characters aren't just what they physically look like.

>If anything shaggy is his dad as he has the same hair style minus the beard. He’s also a good cook and smokes weed. There’s also a flashback were he meets norvilles grandmother and there’s a shot that look’s literally ripped out of the old scooby doo shows.

Yeah, that's also known as a "reference".

Also, why do we keep going back to this stoner thing? You realise that this is based on a children's cartoon right? Shaggy never actually smoked weed. It's not a character trait.

>Maybe if you watched the show you wouldn’t be the ass in this situation.

The fact that this characters personality is purposefully the opposite of what people associate with Shaggy (e.g., the stoner subculture) as a joke actually makes the opposite point of what you're trying to make.

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mikepictor t1_j8d2t7p wrote

It's always sunny in Philadelphia is wildly popular, despite having a cast of utterly horrible people that never even come close to redeeming themselves

Redemption or growth are good, but they are not required to enjoy a show

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thebruns t1_j807frk wrote

Counterpoint: The Velma show is actually extremely average and not worth time

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klaygotsnubbed t1_j80dap1 wrote

i watched all 10 episodes so i can say i watched it, it also helps with people like u who are going around telling everyone they haven’t seen it, the shows i really really bad, the writing and dialogue being the worst parts, the animation is cool and it made me laugh a few times, not as bad as people say, but it’s one of, if not the worst show i’ve ever seen

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klaygotsnubbed t1_j82term wrote

yes exactly, really really bad is nothing compared to the general consensus on this show incase you’ve been living under a rock

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klaygotsnubbed t1_j82tshz wrote

i havent seen every show, the worst show someone has ever seen can still be good yk, i dont think it’s as bad as people make it out to be but it’s also probably the worst show i’ve seen, i dont understand what’s so complicated

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klaygotsnubbed t1_j82uhjz wrote

no i used that as an example, i said “someone” is this a troll? i’ve liked shows and ive not liked shows, i dont like this one at all but its still not at the level people make it out to be, i feel like i’m just repeating myself

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Humble_Re-roll OP t1_j80jtld wrote

lol then why'd you watch all 10 episodes?

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klaygotsnubbed t1_j80k0j5 wrote

so you either tell people they haven’t watched it or u ask them why they watched it if they disagree with you lmao, this has to be a troll, i watched it because i always give shows one full season

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TheColonelRLD t1_j88ks99 wrote

You spent 320 minutes of your life watching something you consider trash in order to say you did so in an argument on the internet?

Did I get that right?

Boy are you a fucking moron if so. Can't believe I'm the first to say that

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klaygotsnubbed t1_j89qatr wrote

if you actually read the comment that you replied to, i said i give every show at least one full season, i literally say it in the comment, i just added that it helps when people say i cant have an opinion on it, that’s extra

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Humble_Re-roll OP t1_j80kmyj wrote

I exist in a middle ground between hating something before I've seen it and watching an entire season of something I hate.

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klaygotsnubbed t1_j80kvwh wrote

it was only 10 20 minute episode man

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Humble_Re-roll OP t1_j80lpjf wrote

Which you described as the worst show you've ever seen. That sounds like torture to me. I can understand not liking it for 20 minutes, but why continue to not like it for another 3 hours?

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klaygotsnubbed t1_j80lvra wrote

you have literally been replying to comments telling people they can’t have an opinion if they’ve only seen a tiny bit, you’re just being hypocritical, i told you already i give shows a full season, and it was short, i didnt mind

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Humble_Re-roll OP t1_j80m8qd wrote

By "tiny bit" i'm talking about an out of context meme. Which is not the equivalent of watching anything.

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batsofburden t1_j80ozrh wrote

It's not my cup of tea, but neither is the also unfunny family guy, yet that is somehow super popular.

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Takseen t1_j811i87 wrote

Yeah I never got Family Guy either. Its like they took the Simpsons, amped up the dumb shit and removed the nice little heart warming moments.

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AgentElman t1_j81bh36 wrote

Interesting that you say that.

I find Velma to be a parody of scooby doo very similar in spirto Family Guys parodies of Star Wars.

The same humor. The same warping of characters.

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batsofburden t1_j81t936 wrote

Maybe they just marketed it wrong. It really should appeal to the same audience.

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hashcancomics t1_j806qoe wrote

It would have been funny 10ish years ago. Only self-referential meta-humour it tired and lazy.

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Humble_Re-roll OP t1_j806vk9 wrote

So you watched it?

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hashcancomics t1_j8084s7 wrote

Enough to pick up what it was putting down.

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Humble_Re-roll OP t1_j80bq14 wrote

That's a "no"

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hashcancomics t1_j80dfg2 wrote

So I have to be a completionist before I can say a turd is in fact, a turd? The show is a turd. I'm glad you this turd funny.

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the_sword_of_brunch t1_j80mjx5 wrote

This isn’t the case with Velma but the first 3 episodes of Our Flag Means Death really didn’t do it for me and it took me almost a month to go back to it. I’m so glad I did because the remaining episodes were fantastic, sometimes a show needs to get its footing. Nothing wrong with cutting ties with a show whenever you want but shows can get better as they go.

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hashcancomics t1_j814upw wrote

>first 3 episodes of Our Flag Means Death really didn’t do it for me

Our Flag Means Death had enough goodwill/reviews to justify a slog.

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Humble_Re-roll OP t1_j80jocn wrote

No. It just sounded like a vague answer non-answer. Which means "no."

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CityHawk17 t1_j80bnl8 wrote

Beautiful part about entertainment, is it's different for every person.

Velma is quite possibly the worst show, I personally, have ever seen. Let alone, playing the fandom card, even though they completely obliterated/shit on the fandom.

I'm tired of people stealing well known IP's just so they can make their own stupid story that has nothing to do with the original IP. For me, Velma goes down as the worst "Scooby Doo" (it's not even) iteration. Yup, behind Scrappy Doo.

Plus, Mindy is a sexual assaulter, I can not in good conscience support her. Same with any other.

I wish this was a good show, it has nothing on the original, or even Mystery Inc.

P.s. I'm glad people enjoyed it. This is just my personal take as someone who adores Scooby Doo. It wasn't for me. Don't let me detract away from your love of the show.

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batsofburden t1_j80os53 wrote

> Velma is quite possibly the worst show, I personally, have ever seen.

guess you never watched milf manor or fboy island

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CityHawk17 t1_j80p59j wrote

As my interest in either of those choices is non existent, nope, my brain is saved.

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Mentoman72 t1_j81142k wrote

Keep FBoy Island out of your dirty mouth. Fr though, I hate those kinds of shows. My girlfriend watches ALL. OF. THEM. FBoy Island is the only one I actually enjoyed watching with her. They are incredibly self aware and shit on the contestants constantly.

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batsofburden t1_j81t1fw wrote

> Keep FBoy Island out of your dirty mouth.

No worries, I don't wanna get an std, lol.

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SinisterPuppy t1_j84gb3b wrote

Mindy is not a sexual assaulter that stupid late night clip is so obviously a joke lmao

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CityHawk17 t1_j87nysp wrote

Hey, if sexual assault jokes are your thing, she sounds like your kind of girl. Not for me.

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mikepictor t1_j8d10d1 wrote

SA jokes are shitty, but it doesn't make the joker a sexual abuser. It makes them someone with shitty taste in jokes

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Snuggle__Monster t1_j80by7j wrote

You're more than allowed to enjoy it, but from everything I've heard, expect to be in minority.

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lylastermind t1_j81090p wrote

I was surprised by the impressive supporting cast. The show hyped the Mindy angel too hard and unfairly overshadowed an arguably solid roster

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ddhboy t1_j80xu1y wrote

I actually think it's fine. Certainly not the worst thing ever, not really top tier animated comedy, not even on HBO Max given Harley Quinn's continued existence. Definitely not worthy of all of the outrage that the show has gotten though.

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ingloriousbaxter3 t1_j82pk0h wrote

That’s exactly where I am.

It’s completely and utterly fine. I think there are a lot of legitimate criticisms that can be made, but people are deluding themselves if they think all the backlash doesn’t have ulterior motives

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ConvenienceStoreDiet t1_j8146gj wrote

I watched the whole thing. First two episodes, then finished the rest last night with some friends.

From my experience watching it after those first two episodes, it was tedious. But I saw a kind of interesting story underneath it. There were elements that were interesting that I really liked. But I felt like it made the audience suffer through an exceptionally unlikable and judgmental protagonist and endless self-congratulatory and witty meta comments to get to the story.

After watching the last 8 last night, it was frustrating. There was interesting character development and arcs and story that you could tell was created by some seasoned creatives. But it was just bogged down a bunch of filler episodes and willful ignorance on behalf of the characters that filled up time away from the characters. This could've been cut down to a feature length and been much more interesting. At one point, it started to get interesting. It was focused on the characters. People were doing things. I was into it. Then moments later I remember there was a scene where Velma commented on flashbacks, and they went into a whole routine about that. I screamed, "nooooo!" My buddy was like, "that was the biggest laugh I had in this show." At one point we started to have an intense moment where the killer showed up. And then they went into a parody rather than pulling us into the story. And I think this is what this show did. Every time you started to care, it found a way to take you out of the moment and make you not care.

By the end, once they were all together solving the mysteries, it was really interesting. But it really made you slog through a lot of tedious self-commentary and endless mean jokes to get to there. And by the end, the story was okay. It was a mystery. I wanted to see it solved. Honestly I wouldn't have minded if they trashed all the jokes and filler and made this a pg-13 show that just focused on the mystery part. That actually would have worked better than this. Of course there were a few jokes that were funny, but maybe once every episode or two. And a few interesting and creative things, like the mean girl brains. Daphne was probably the most interesting character to watch, followed by Fred. Norville was okay once his storyline became about him and his girlfriend. And the title character was exhausting with how awful she was to everyone.

Overall, kinda interesting story, decent performances, and kind of interesting character development that made you suffer through a lot of frustrating comedy and commentary that made the show feel like if Twitter wrote it.

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rrickitickitavi t1_j808k62 wrote

I thought it was funny too. The level of vitriol aimed at this show is way over the top.

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Ferahgost t1_j82amiz wrote

It’s a fine show, nothing special but not nearly as terrible as people make out. As a Scooby doo fan from my childhood I don’t really think of it as being Scooby doo, but I can appreciate a different take on the characters. Regardless, it doesn’t effect my enjoyment of the old shows

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ihearttupac t1_j812ui2 wrote

I’m thee minority with you. I’m enjoying it for what is worth. Not without its flaws, but it’s been a fun watch. I do miss Scooby though:(

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hawks-make-me-sad t1_j81szx5 wrote

It's not the worst thing in the world like people might have you believe, but it's certainly not good.

The Mike Tyson Mysteries are a better executed version of the "Scooby Doo with crewd adult humor" genre.

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NotSoNiceO1 t1_j82lxv5 wrote

Velma said it at the beginning. It's her orgin story. These characters will develop into the characters that we know and love but it takes time.

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jotastrophe t1_j81o09t wrote

I watched all ten episodes because I wanted to really see how bad it was and I thought it was pretty bad. The plot was pretty bad, even by Scooby-Doo standards. I think Velma as a character is wayyyyy too shitty to really want to succeed. And Norville is also pretty poorly characterized and is just sort of annoying. I didn't mind Daphne and Fred though. I think they're VAs really helped their characterization. Glenn Howerton just plays a privileged white boy too well. But yeah as a whole I think it was a miss with humor that will make it age horribly.

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WanderingBalloon2 t1_j83b3vb wrote

I enjoy all the white males on reddit crying about fred's small dick while in their comment history you can literally find them making the same jokes about asian men

You get a taste of hollywood's representation of asian men for 50 years, representation you not just encourage, but demand, and it's all crying tears of blood

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noggstaj t1_j83sb9t wrote

  • "Hey I watched the whole season and it was really really bad!"

OP:" Lies, noone watches so much of something they hate!"

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  • "I thought it was pretty bad"

OP: "Did you watch it?"

-"Yeah the first couple of episodes"

OP: "that's a no!"

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RusevReigns t1_j80dleo wrote

Agree, I've been defending it from the start!

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matts1 t1_j81y7ad wrote

I have thought since the very first episode that it was good and worth my time. I never went into with expectations. I am not one to call something woke, because that is idiotic. I have enjoyed it for what it is.

But I am also one that doesn't pay attention to the quality of the writing or any that critic stuff. I take any show or movie for what it presents itself to be, without preconceived notions.

Oh and apparently I need clarify if I have watched it.. Yes I am up to 9, watching the last one later on tonight.

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Practical-Exchange60 t1_j83sixe wrote

I saw all the negativity publicity from people on both sides of the political spectrum and was immediately intrigued. I watched the whole thing, I think I laughed maybe 3 times. It was terrible. Mindy dragged that show through the mud just to look woke when in reality it did the opposite for her. She just comes off as hateful. Like the show. Pure trash.

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banzzai13 t1_j84vh0p wrote

Oh, to be a contrarian.

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joey0live t1_j863run wrote

It's not a bad show, it's not a Scooby-Doo show (I'm okay with that.. doesn't always have to be (pretend it's not)), some of the dialogue is cringe, some of the things the show does is cringe too - like, why are to bugs having sex first 30 seconds of S01E01??? Reviews says this is the worst animated show... they're obviously trying to get views. It's not. I've seen worst.

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cluster9250 t1_j89fnwq wrote

It's not the worst show to exist but it would've benefited from not using the Scooby Doo characters. Mainly because of how they're all characterized, its a disservice to the original characters but I think it wouldn't be bad if the writers created new characters

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mikepictor t1_j8d0wtr wrote

Yeah. I wouldn't say it's GREAT, but it's ok. I am sure that most of the criticism is that it's not like Scooby Doo. Honestly, that's valid criticism, people may want that, but I have no investment in the sanctity of the show. I never watched Scooby Doo, so the fact it doesn't hold true to that show doesn't bother me.

I just look at it as some new IP, and it's passably entertaining.

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mikepictor t1_j8ep9ws wrote

I avoided it for a while after everyone was saying it was so bad, and finally decided to take a look.

It's not bad. It's not GREAT, but it's not bad. I am enjoying it at least.

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noonehasthisoneyet t1_j8jyqco wrote

its fine. all it is a parody of riverdale and those "edgy" cw shows that took a children's comic or cartoon and tried to make it "adult". i still think based on the memes people hate the show for the aesthetic reasons and not the content.

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AverageLiberalJoe t1_j81ixvz wrote

It wasnt that bad just like every other show the internet hates. Its main problem has nothing to do with the jokes and everything to do with the fact that injust dontncare abput the mystery of her mom amd the murders.

Other than that if ypu dont understand that this has nothong to do with scooby doo then Im sorry but you are dumb. Its a show about dunking on stereotypes and velma serves that purpose well because the original scobby doo characters are so well known as 1 dimensional.

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SmurfinItUp t1_j81zgro wrote

Every turd has its flies.

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RedditGGGB t1_j83sq53 wrote

Not even you believe that

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ddobson6 t1_j84yajx wrote

Oh hard disagree… everything about the show is bad.. writing, voice acting , overly aggressive interactions etc.. it amazes me that this made it past the executives. That says a lot about HBO.

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Muhabba t1_j80bhj4 wrote

I think it mostly confused people. It uses Scooby-Doo names but has nothing to do with the Scooby-Doo cartoons. Which is part of the joke. It's a not Scooby-Doo mystery being solved by not Scooby-Doo characters.

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Bender3455 t1_j82it7o wrote

Nope, terrible show. I was hoping for an adult version of the Scooby-Doo Gang. Instead, the show is just mean and racist.

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dawaxtadpole t1_j806vd7 wrote

I haven’t seen it. I have only seen the plethora of posts saying how shit it is. I figured it was a ploy to get people to hate watch this program. I don’t care either way. I woulda probably watched this show 30 years ago, but my parents wouldn’t let me.

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CoriVanilla t1_j81h3hd wrote

The animated Harley Quinn show is almost exactly the same. They even play with Batman's character development and nobody has complained with the same amount of vitriol as they have with Velma. I want people to just admit they don't like it because a WOC has been in charge and all the characters are POC. It has nothing to do with it being a "beloved childhood series" or whatever crap, or the vulgarity of the language because other shows who do those exact things don't get shit on like this. They even specifically removed the trope of Shaggy being a stoner BECAUSE they made him a black man and didn't want to perpetuate harmful stereotypes. I'm watching it out of spite of the racist misogynist babies.

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Humble_Re-roll OP t1_j81i9wd wrote

> They even specifically removed the trope of Shaggy being a stoner BECAUSE they made him a black man and didn't want to perpetuate harmful stereotypes.

Also the gag about Shaggy specifically not liking drugs is really funny.

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root_fifth_octave t1_j80gvv4 wrote

Yeah I’ve been enjoying it, too. Not really seeing why people hate it so much. Maybe some internet/culture wars thing.

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Veiled_Discord t1_j80vs6s wrote

Or maybe humor is subjective and you think a show that most people do not think is funny, is funny. You're in the minority, there are no culture wars here.

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root_fifth_octave t1_j816hdk wrote

Of course taste is subjective. There’s like an emotional weight behind some people’s dislike of this show, though. Something a little extra there.

At the very least I think there’s some piling on happening.

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hawks-make-me-sad t1_j81rltd wrote

It's not a matter of culture wars.

The reaction would not be this strong if this was some generic adult animated mystery show with no association to Scooby Doo. There are multiple mean spirited mediocre adult cartoons created every year that no one pays attention to.

Expectations are simply higher when you try to extend an existing franchise, especially when you try to subvert/diverge from the original like Velma tried.

Studio execs have been pushing more and more for shows to tie into existing franchises (to reduce risk of a flop), and it starts to add up for a good chunk of people.

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root_fifth_octave t1_j81tjrx wrote

Yeah, I think that is definitely part of what’s going on. Maybe not the whole story, though.

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hawks-make-me-sad t1_j81wh87 wrote

Yeah you're probably right. There's certainly a brigade of people that are whining as a part of their weekly "The Wokes are Ruining America" segment, eg the race swapping, fred characterization. There's also been a similar amount of leftist complaints about the show, eg the #metoo joke, etc. The 30 minute long Youtube review industry profited from Velma.

I just don't think any of the groups would have cared (or even noticed) were it not tied to the Scooby Doo franchise.

Little Demon is another recent adult animation with similar crass humor that tries a bit too hard (despite a promising premise and cast). It's not great, but no one really cares. Yes, some portion def found it funny, but other viewers just quietly dip after episode 1 or 2. Thats how I imagine Velma would have turned out were it not for the Scooby Doo association

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root_fifth_octave t1_j81xzbc wrote

Yeah, that’s exactly what I’m getting at.

You’re probably right though, that if it wasn’t from a known and dear franchise it wouldn’t have gotten so much of that type of attention.

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