jamiestar9 t1_jbpwdxp wrote on March 10, 2023 at 8:23 PM

No. The idea of Star Trek is that humans and society in the 23rd century are a bit more “evolved” than present day. TNG was really big on this. So was Voyager and Enterprise. I loved DS9 for the conflict, but that conflict was always smart and the shipmates (and even adversaries) respected each other. Sisko yelling was just more excellently written dialogue served up at higher intensity!

Star Trek Picard has precious little of that. The way the officers behave and speak in nuTrek could be pulled straight from 2023’s Twitter or TikTok feed. A changeling “pot” weed joke? Shaw’s behavior in the holodeck towards Picard, not fresh after losing Jennifer Sisko and Wolf 359 mind you, but 30 years later and after Picard has shown he wasn’t in control when violated by the borg and saved the Federation multiple times over. And now the founders (changlings) smoke cigarettes and behave oddly as well.

They had Jean Luc himself drop the f-bomb, so eager were they to finally do that. And “remove yourself from the bridge. You just killed us all.” Riker is lucky Picard didn’t shoot him thinking he was a changeling, so cringeworthy and out of character that dialogue was.

Yesterday’s Trek writers had far more talent.

Levonorgestrelfairy1 t1_jbrl2d3 wrote on March 11, 2023 at 3:59 AM

I mean not really? Sure society is evolved but Tng is full of people being people.

bernsteinschroeder t1_jbpz9ru wrote on March 10, 2023 at 8:42 PM

Discovery and Pickard are original (sophomoric, and pretentious) stories trying to wear a Star Trek skin.

Even more unfortunately, since we know audiences still prize the Star Trek sci-fi motif by looking no further than The Orville. I absolutely detest 99.999% of Seth MacFarlane's humor and The Orville hits far more than enough of the sci-fi / Star Trek notes for me to look past it to love (and strongly recommend) the show.

Locutus747 t1_jbq4x9p wrote on March 10, 2023 at 9:19 PM

Strongly disagree. Couldn’t make it past a few episodes of the Orville. Not at all shocked the show didn’t make it past 3 seasons

Sawses t1_jbqhz67 wrote on March 10, 2023 at 10:48 PM

I gave up on the series after the first episode. Then I watched a few more years later and it hooked me. It basically morphs from Star Trek parody to the best Star Trek show we've had since DS9.

bernsteinschroeder t1_jbq5bcf wrote on March 10, 2023 at 9:21 PM

I understand that. They played the (ahem) "humor" stronger in the first few episodes but it then tones way down the longer the series goes.

OathOfFeanor t1_jbx5h36 wrote on March 12, 2023 at 12:07 PM

> Shaw’s behavior in the holodeck towards Picard, not fresh after losing Jennifer Sisko and Wolf 359 mind you, but 30 years later and after Picard has shown he wasn’t in control when violated by the borg and saved the Federation multiple times over

I could see him still blaming Picard. But we already saw this story with Sisko and it was more compelling! It was his wife too, in addition to his coworkers/friends. We even got to "meet" the wife.

Just bad writing IMO. Out of the entire Trek universe they couldn't come up with a new reason for tension between Shaw and the others.