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AnotherHiggins t1_jdy0jjs wrote

When I look back on enjoying 24 back in the day I feel guilty. All that, "but I've gotta torture this guy, y'all. I. Just. GOTTA." felt silly and over-the-top at first. But then it came out that the US was actually torturing people. And grown-ass politicians pointed to the scripted drama as an excuse for why we just HAD to do it. It would feel icky to go back and watch 24 now.

But a 24-like show that didn't take itself too seriously? That might provide enough distance to be able to enjoy it. I'll check it out.

Thanks, OP.


pragmatick t1_jdzf3o8 wrote

You are allowed to enjoy a show and even like a character without condoning his actions.


JohnTDouche t1_jdzj6yx wrote

Yeah but when the actions are justified by the show, condoned by the show and shown to be correct by the show. Feeling "icky" about it, isn't such a bad feeling to be having.

Then you start thinking about the real world and how people condoned and encouraged these type of actions to real people, often innocent people. How this show was intentionally or not, part of a propaganda campaign. People don't say the words "Guantanamo Bay" much any more but it's still there as far as I know and "icky" doesn't cover the half of it.


AnotherHiggins t1_je08n0q wrote

And don't forget Abu Ghraib. We were all complicit. And a concerning number of our fellow citizens were gleefully willing to be complicit.

(As for the term "icky," I'm prone to understatements.)


[deleted] t1_jdzhiu5 wrote

24 really didn't take itself too seriously. That's big part of why it was so enjoyable. It went batshit bonkers.


SuspendedInKarmaMama t1_jdzw0v5 wrote

Do you feel 'icky' reading Catcher in the Rye because of the death of John Lennon?


AnotherHiggins t1_je09ruo wrote

No? Because that wasn't a central theme of the book that was, time and again, proven in the story to be justified and correct.


travio t1_jdykyyt wrote

Really looking forward to Charles Dance’s character in the next episode after the last second tease.


Neo2199 OP t1_jdxxw63 wrote

> The good news about this new thriller, Rabbit Hole, is that it isn’t a million miles away from 24. Kiefer Sutherland plays John Weir, a corporate espionage expert who finds himself neck-deep in an enormous conspiracy. There are shadowy figures. There are characters guided through high-tension situations while wearing earpieces. There are moments where Kiefer Sutherland sees something catastrophic about to happen, but is too far away to stop it, so he just shouts “NO!”, and then it happens anyway. This is well-worn territory but, God, I want it fed to me like peeled grapes to a Roman emperor.

> And there’s a version of Rabbit Hole where this is all that happens. It’s Kiefer Sutherland granite-jawed, lurching from crisis to crisis, singlehandedly trying to stave off disaster. The first episode certainly comes close to achieving that. Weir is essentially a paranoid spy who knows that someone is on to him, and he spends much of the episode shooting concerned glances into his rearview mirror. As it unfolds, you can feel yourself relaxing into it, the same way you’d relax into any old-fashioned network drama about a tough yet compromised protagonist. However – and I’m going to try my best to avoid spoilers – Rabbit Hole then turns on a dime and becomes completely and irreparably loopy.

> Sutherland finishes the first episode pinballing between so many absurd cataclysms that it starts to feel like a prestige drama version of Mr Bean. There had been hints at this from the start – the cold open ends with Sutherland in confession, barking: “God? Maybe he can tell me WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON!!!” at what must presumably be a particularly disconcerted priest – but this is the point where the loopiness ramps up beyond all comprehension. And you know what? It’s great.

> This is largely because – unlike 24, where all the stupid stuff happened because that show chewed up ideas like a threshing machine – Rabbit Hole seems to be doing all this purely for fun. There is an unmistakeable lightness here amid all the disaster. Sutherland’s Weir isn’t a fully fledged hero. He’s too frustrated and befuddled for that. He bickers. He wisecracks. He loses fights with teenage skateboarders. As such, Sutherland appears to be enjoying himself. And when, aside from that video of him flinging himself into a Christmas tree, has anyone ever been able to say that?

> It helps that he’s surrounded by an incredibly game cast. Charles Dance (playing a character you’ll quickly be able to figure out thanks to some impressive flashback prosthetic work) is just as up for having fun as Sutherland. But what really supercharges the show is Meta Golding, an actor so far best known for a very small role in the Hunger Games films. Golding is astonishing here. Her character falls somewhere between “hostage” and “love interest”, which sounds wildly problematic on paper. But she plays it with such motormouthed ferocity that she pretty much walks away with every scene she’s in. Neither Sutherland nor Dance have ever had this much chemistry with another actor. She’s a real discovery.


drelos t1_jdyneh9 wrote

sold and I didn't even read all this in full, I want the premiere to be a surprise


pragmatick t1_jdzf7hp wrote

Trust me, it will be. There's two episodes and and they're nailing the cliff hangers. By the end I half expect this to happen.


drelos t1_je7ve1j wrote

I just watched the second episode, the end is insane although I almost say aloud that >!'dad' !<at the end
I found it Hailey ridiculously funny paired with Kiefer. I felt heavy Burn After Reading vibes here.


lourensloki t1_jdz7spu wrote

It was fun. A bit trash, a bit ridiculous, and I'n onboard.


lsjunior t1_je2ye9s wrote

The thing that bothers me already is hes very paranoid of cell phones and security but drives a Tesla model x a car that tracks you probably more than any other car on the planet.


the6thReplicant t1_jdzk6nx wrote

I was thinking it would be nice to have a TV series based on the deception like plot device found in Fincher’s The Game.

This seems to scratch that itch.


RonTRobot t1_je42b9a wrote

Two episodes in and it has absolutely zero to do with the show synopsis description so far but I absolutely love it. Its like a high-octane, higher-stakes reverse heist.

I really don't see any "24" in it, other than it has Keifer Sutherland. I don't even know why people keep mentioning the show, its not remotely close to it at all.


Alps-Mountain t1_je14gyq wrote

I couldn't really get into it. It's a little too network TV for me and I also don't like Kiefers character and am not interested on his line of work. Sad the premise sounded interesting to me.


anasui1 t1_jdy35ea wrote

this pretty much ticks all my boxes, which is exceedingly rare in today's entertainment. gonna watch for sure


Spartyjason t1_jdygrlw wrote

I saw the first 2 episodes, it's intriguing, not great, but fun. Looking forward to the rest.


SlowWhiteFox t1_jdyo8td wrote

I'm liking it so far, but getting real "Eagle Eye" vibes.


Quick_Feeds t1_jdz484w wrote

They are sure are advertising the absolute fuck out of this show


ldnjack t1_jdyhu6o wrote

he's pretending that mr robot neve rexisted.


this is normie mr robot even if tey sabotaged it