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DevilsHandyman t1_je1mewr wrote
I'm enjoying The Night Agent but didn't get into Shadow and Bone despite having read the book.
cefriano t1_je2ovqi wrote
I was initially very interested in Shadow and Bone, I thought it was a really interesting world that they were building. And then I quickly lost interest when the focus turned to a lame love triangle that I didn't give a single shit about.
Embarrassed-Toe6687 t1_je2rh9o wrote
The train scene was badass though.
DevilsHandyman t1_je2z9rf wrote
Maybe they were aiming for a CW pickup
durx1 t1_je3tauu wrote
Shadow and Bone is best if you only pay attention when The Crows are on. It’s dreadfully boring otherwise
Realistic-Client9825 t1_je44cbb wrote
Give me Nina teasing/flirting with the sexually repressed Mattias, and I can die a happy man.
WaluigiIsTheRealHero t1_je4y5ww wrote
The books are the same way - the Six of Crows duology is infinitely better than the original Grisha trilogy.
durx1 t1_je52438 wrote
all the praise for The Six of Crows has me interested in reading them. Was a big YA fan back in the day. But I was out of school by the time the Grishaverse started
WaluigiIsTheRealHero t1_je53ptt wrote
It’s definitely worth a read. It goes relatively quick and you don’t need to have read any other part of the Grishaverse prior.
Rk1llz t1_je6sjgp wrote
Can confirm that's it's boring af. Even as background noise
Cyyyyk t1_je2uqzo wrote
The Night Agent is a lot of fun so I am glad it is doing well..... but people are missing the boat on Shadow and Bone. It is a really well done fantasy show. One of my favorites.
RWTwin t1_je1tgr6 wrote
The Night Agent feels more intriguing. I'd probably give Shadow and Bone a chance if the synopsis wasn't so vague. I'm usually hesitant to watch lore rich fantasy shows as they're usually bad slow burners if they're not executed well since they require a significant amount of world building
monarda_fistulosa t1_je1vdlc wrote
Netflix is shooting itself in the foot with that synopsis. Why would they think putting the letters CW anywhere near one of their own originals is beyond me! CW-quality is basically a meme at this point.
Edit to give you a synopsis: Orphan mapmaker Alina Starkov may have a prophesied power to save a divided world. Meanwhile, Kaz Brekker and his crew of thieves are just trying to live in it.
ffxivthrowaway03 t1_je4v90c wrote
I'm pretty sure all of the tagging and synopsis writing is done by a single intern who doesn't actually watch any of it.
I'd love to see an analysis of how frequently the word "irreverent" is used/tagged, and how often it's misused.
kawfikawfi t1_je3gvhp wrote
The problem with shadow and bone is not that it's a slow burn but more that it burns through plot incredibly quickly. It's a pretty stereotypical YA fantasy story if you're into that.
ffxivthrowaway03 t1_je4viln wrote
It burns through it all quickly and none of it is particularly interesting.
Atmentod t1_je4e597 wrote
(S&B) I enjoyed the first season but the second season just seemed so. Implausible? All of it. I want to support it, but it's hard to get into.
Kekka t1_je4jm2z wrote
yea i felt the same the first season pulled me in and i was pretty hooked then by the end of the 2nd season felt like i was forcing myself to the end.
Arsenio3 t1_je2cewk wrote
S&B season 2 had obvious story and pacing problems. The last couple episodes had characters running around with literally nothing to do. They could have figured out a way to get all the characters in the same place at the same time. There’s one whole plot/romance that not only doesn’t get resolved but it doesn’t even get set up for (a now less likely) second season. Not enough romantic tension and muddy motivations. I have a feeling they were too worried about sticking to the book but failed to tell a good story for tv. IMHO at least
qp0n t1_je4y6wz wrote
> RIP Shadow and Bone. Very poor 2nd week numbers.
Season 2 was awful and all potential is gone. Such a waste.
Rumor is that to this day the only 2 remaining single characters are still running around aimlessly hoping to find each other to ensure that every person in their 20s - aka everyone on their planet - is in a romantic relationship. Only then can the darkness ratings be defeated.
bloodydingbat t1_je6z863 wrote
Shadow and Bone has some wank actors other than the crows.
I seriously don’t get how people rate Jessie Li, she can’t act for shit. Numbers don’t lie.
Ma5cmpb t1_je2o2kw wrote
Not necessarily, if the completion rate is high then it’ll be renewed.
SG14ever t1_je5l7op wrote
r/TheNightAgent
anasui1 t1_je1yooe wrote
the hunger for good old action guys is strong out there, as disgusting as it may sound for prestige tv lovers
Artistic-Toe-8803 t1_je3vi9j wrote
Action shows can be prestige. Prestige doesn't mean "slow as fuck and would bore the shit out of 99% of people nowadays", it just means exceptionally high quality, high production value, great writing, etc
Phifty56 t1_je4rhdz wrote
Bodyguard showed you can have high quality political intrigue and drama without sacrificing intense action scenes. I think it benefited a lot from it's short 6 episode run, because everything felt tightly paced and the tension in several scenes was excellent.
It's a great middle ground between being being too dense and boring vs being too shallow, action-filed with no stakes or tension.
ThrowawayTheLegend t1_je3zwcw wrote
Barry actually has some good action while being still really high quality.
Artistic-Toe-8803 t1_je46nxn wrote
GoT may not have been an action series per se but had some amazing action in it
ArchDucky t1_je4tp1g wrote
I love that Bill Hader finds a way to obscure Barry's face in most of the action so he doesn't have to do it.
dieselmiata t1_je1uk9g wrote
I liked it, and I'm pretty burned out on letter agency shows.
Krafty08 t1_je3hny2 wrote
The Recruit on Netflix is a similarly great show if you enjoyed Night Agent
SQUID_FUCKER t1_je4a42r wrote
Eh, I really liked The Night Agent. Disliked The Recruit a lot. Personally, The Recruit was everything I was getting tired of with spy shows. I didn't like the humor and the overly poppy soundtrack and pacing. It just felt too much like a CBS procedural, imo.
VitaLonga t1_je1l87m wrote
Ooooffff. Shadow and Bone is done.
LuisIgnacio0001 t1_je1x1s1 wrote
Last week some people blame it on poor marketing.
But The Night Agent have even less advertising. Unless i missed something, i dont think this show had more that the one trailer.
marzo4 t1_je28f5m wrote
I didn't even know night agent existed until the day after it dropped on Netflix. Definitely little to no advertisement for it.
Puzzleheaded_Read959 t1_je3hk3x wrote
I highly recommend browsing the “New” section often.
They have 3 rows for “Coming Soon” “Coming This Week” “Coming Next Week”
The Netflix algorithm forces you down a path instead of providing you with new / different content. Once you’re on that path your profile is ruined and there’s no way to clean up your profile.
I watch Korean and Japanese content. My profile is literally ALL Korean and Japanese content now. I had to make a new profile so I could browse English-Language titles again.
Im_PeterPauls_Mary t1_je5kxhb wrote
My algorithm is horrible right now. I feel like it doesn’t know me at all.
ghostcider t1_je2qx1a wrote
I loved Shadow and Bone season 1, but 2 is a mess. I didn't even finish it. The plot is so random and sets nothing up. It's like an improve session gone awry.
qp0n t1_je4yrhs wrote
>Shadow and Bone is done.
> Last week some people blame it on poor marketing.
Which is a shame, because blame should be on it being a piece of shit.
Groundbreaking_Ship3 t1_je2ad3u wrote
This is a thriller tv show done right, with perfect pacing, decent acting, enough action scenes. Most thriller TV shows have no thrills, people keep talking and talking, not much happens to keep the viewers engaged.
KlaatuBrute t1_je6rqke wrote
>with perfect pacing
At the risk of sounding hyperbolic, I think it was one of the best-paced shows I've watched in a long time. Never felt like there was pointless filler added in, never lulled too long, and they never did that thing where they introduce some potential side tangent and then don't revisit it for another 8 episodes. Just a consistently-moving, easy-to-watch series.
lightsongtheold t1_je2esz8 wrote
A great opening week for The Night Agent. Its 168,710,000 hours work out at the equivalent of 20.7 million complete viewings. That is the second best any show has done in equivalent complete viewings in a single week in 2023 so far. Only pipped by the 22.7 million achieved by You s4 Part 1 earlier in the year. Be interesting to see how The Night Agent holds in the coming weeks but it is definitely off to a great start. These numbers put the show on par with Netflix big hitters like Cobra Kai, Emily in Paris, and The Witcher and not far behind The Watcher from Ryan Murphy.
Shadow & Bone got 6.8 million (an increase of 9.7%) in its second week and is probably dead in the water. It is looking to end on around 18-19 million after 4 weeks and that is nowhere near the 30-35 million needed for big budget shows. It is a real shame as Shadow & Bone is an excellent adaptation of the books. Changes a few things while keeping the spirit of the story intact.
The Waco limited series had a decent start with 9 million.
You (7.5 million) and The Glory (6.4) million had solid third weeks. The Glory has been great in the numbers while You has still been strong despite a noticeable viewership fade between the first and second parts of s4.
Not much else to note. Sex/Life (24.5 million) and Wrong Side of the Tracks s2 (10.8 million) finished out their 4 week runs. A tad week for the Spanish language show but solid enough for Sex/Life s2. Probably not solid enough for a third season but definitely worth bringing back for a season 2 as it was solid and outperformed most of the new shows as well as Shadow & Bone!
It was pretty quiet openings for the other debut shows. Who Were We Running From (4.1 million), Invisible City s2 (3.2 million), and Murder in the Coalfield (2.6 million) all charted while only The Kingdom s2 missed with less than 1.6 million.
It is a quiet week next week in terms of new releases with just Rob Lowe comedy Unstable dropping so it will be another easy viewership win for The Night Agent again even if it drops hard (which I’m definitely not expecting to happen).
HumansNeedNotApply01 t1_je3xk64 wrote
Shadow and Bone is not really a big budget show, season 2 budget is rumored to be 40 million dollars. I think ~20 million people should be enough for a renew, but if it isn't, oh welp, at least they finished the story (kinda).
VitaLonga t1_je4n8ir wrote
Lol. $40 million IS a big budget.
HumansNeedNotApply01 t1_je99uh2 wrote
It's a respectable budget don't get me wrong, but the big budget productions like Witcher, WoT, House of Dragon, Marvel shows are all 80+ million per season.
txobi t1_je4m2nw wrote
Murder Mistery 2 realeses on friday right? Could have big numbers
Artistic-Toe-8803 t1_je3vo0b wrote
The people on Reddit who think Netflix is "dying" strike out yet again. I may not watch Netflix nearly as much anymore and am on the verge of cancelling it anyway, but Redditors need to understand it is far too big to die in the streaming era
bannedagainomg t1_je48i1r wrote
Netflix is pretty much the only service actually making money for now.
No reason to think they will die.
SQUID_FUCKER t1_je4ara4 wrote
>No reason to think they will die.
They cancelled The OA though! /s
RonTRobot t1_je432cc wrote
Netflix' biggest rivals own publishing companies and TV news networks, so "news" that say how "Netflix is dying" is always kept alive and most people just readily repeat what they see/hear without thinking.
KlaatuBrute t1_je6s2md wrote
To be fair, IMO this is one of their better original series in some time—or at least of the shows geared toward a wide audience.
I had finally crossed off the last thing on my list of Netflix exclusives (the Luther movie) that I needed to watch before I would cancel my 10+ year subscription. Then I stumbled onto the RT review of Night Agent and decided to give it a shot. Loved it.
I still think all of the bad things about Netflix that I did before watching it—the things that the "Netflix is dying" crowd tend to parrot. But if I could get even just one property a month that I thought was as well-made as Night Agent, I would probably stick around.
Artistic-Toe-8803 t1_je6t3na wrote
I'm very close to having everything crossed off personally. This show doesnt seem my cup of tea so I'm prob not gonna watch it. I just have Unbelievable and Midnight Mass remaining
OrbitOrbz t1_je2s0uh wrote
I enjoyed The Night Agent.... I try to make it to where I would watch 1 episode a week but i pretty much gave up on that when they would leave you on some cliff hanger-ish at the end of the episode...I was like ..."I ain't waiting a week" lol
Heavyspire t1_je4z5w3 wrote
I used to watch 10 mins of the next episode so I wouldn't have that cliffhanger feeling.
DopeyDeathMetal t1_je5ph5f wrote
Idk why this is so funny to me. Probably because I can’t believe I never thought of this.
_10032 t1_je48szj wrote
Enjoyable enough show when you turn your brain off. But man, the writing and dialogue was really subpar.
teddykrash t1_je665zh wrote
It’s actually terrible. I cringe so hard at certain scenes.
sedeyus t1_je2l7cy wrote
Seems exactly like a Jack Reacher/Jack Ryan type of show with a similar square-jaw hero, so I'm not surprised.
God_Is_Pizza t1_je2lt3k wrote
Yeah and if anyone likes this show and is looking for another great show that’s the same style, checkout Bodyguard from BBC with Richard Madden. Hopefully Series 2 is coming soon.
roxy031 t1_je3gqir wrote
Bodyguard was great! I was wondering if we’d ever get a second season. The last I heard was late 2022, they confirmed we’d get a season 2, but there have been no dates or other details. But that reminds me I wanted to check out the show Richard Madden is in on Amazon called Citadel.
SQUID_FUCKER t1_je4anlh wrote
> with a similar square-jaw hero
It made me feel super old when someone else pointed out that Gabriel Brasso was the dorky kid from Super 8.
AZAR0V t1_je4oalp wrote
WHAT
itsevilR t1_je3zhjk wrote
This show got literally no marketing whatsoever and yet managed to pull that number and beat shadow and bone huh 😂
ArchDucky t1_je56pvq wrote
Netflix doesn't really need marketing. They just release something new and put it in the banner with a cool image. The only commitment the viewer needs is hitting play. And if someone were to miss the giant screen banner on their TV they will see it again in the Top 10 list or have a friend talk about it. It's sort of brilliant.
Edwinus t1_je2hle2 wrote
It's a fun show almost done! Haven't binged a show in a while also
TonyWonderslostnut t1_je3jsse wrote
Shawn Ryan, as in The Shield creator?
avalyntwo t1_je4dxro wrote
Yes, but it’s not similar to The Shield in any kind of way (writing, camera work etc). Decent show, but not amazing. Some clever writing, some pretty standard espionage-thriller stuff.
BaneThoth766 t1_je3zd08 wrote
Yes
Beans-and-frank t1_je1kiqu wrote
I just saw this listed on Netflix yesterday. Anyone seen it? Any good?
RamboGoesMeow t1_je269or wrote
I’m about 4 episodes into it, and I’ve been thoroughly enjoying it. I just wish my dad hadn’t passed last week, because I know he would have loved it.
roxy031 t1_je3g4c6 wrote
I’m really sorry to hear about your dad. I hope watching the show makes you feel his presence even though he’s gone. Virtual hugs from an Internet stranger.
RamboGoesMeow t1_je3zyob wrote
Thank you, and it does help. My brother started watching it around the same time as I did and told my mother the same thing.
BaneThoth766 t1_je3zon2 wrote
Sorry about your dad!
Leaga t1_je1spez wrote
If you're into political/conspiracy action thrillers then it's a great show. Very much reminded me of watching 24 back in the day. I thoroughly enjoyed watching it to the point that I binged it all this weekend.
Overall, not great though. I'd guess that people who aren't into the genre won't like it or at least wouldnt like it if theyd already seen the kinds of shows that feel same-y. But since the genre is massively underproduced some might like it as a change of pace show and people like me who are into the genre will love it.
h0ckey87 t1_je2ny0a wrote
Decent plot, pretty poor acting
xClay2 t1_je29wpb wrote
It's good if you suspend belief a little. I've been enjoying it but I'm also a fan of the genre.
SQUID_FUCKER t1_je4aehm wrote
> It's good if you suspend belief a little.
I feel like this is just par for the course for all these types of shows. Outside of maybe The Bureau or something like that, these all require the audience to just kinda go with it. Which is totally fine, imo, you can't have action packed shows like these that are super realistic because, frankly, that's just now how things work.
Like the fact that Peter is at the center of this thing throughout the entire series. Granted, the show does a decent enough job of keeping it tied to him so it at least feels reasonable (without giving spoilers, this is revealed in the final episode).
It's easy, popcorn entertainment and it does it well enough.
Voidbearer2kn17 t1_je1nfxv wrote
I have, and I am enjoying the ride. Am halfway through the season and was pleasantly surprised by that.
pinksinthehouse t1_je2ldgf wrote
I liked it. It’s shallow but has good suspense and enough interesting scenes to keep you hooked until the end.
54fighting t1_je2xdv4 wrote
I won’t be back for season 2 but it’s ok considering what’s available. It feels like network TV - implausible plot that takes itself seriously, weak acting and weak writing. For the genre, I found The Recruit more compelling, and I’m holding out hope that something that can replicate The Patriot.
Beans-and-frank t1_je4fvkn wrote
The Patriot was its own thing.
BaneThoth766 t1_je3zn5e wrote
It’s pretty good imo. If you like action shows with some twists you’ll probably like it.
Great ending too!
ArchDucky t1_je56fi9 wrote
It's extremly similar to 24. Government Agent in over his head trying to protect a witness and stop a terrorist attack. If you miss the old Jack Bauer Power Hour, then you should check it out.
jeanzleezy t1_je33eu1 wrote
Just finished it. We liked it!
dracarys_112 t1_je273r7 wrote
How is that even possible??? Literally shadow and bone has way more marketing than this.
SQUID_FUCKER t1_je4apis wrote
I saw a ton of ads for The Night Agent and nothing for Shadow and Bone.
foxh8er t1_je3eiv1 wrote
Saw the first episode, wasn't impressed by the writing. Rabbit Hole seems sharper by a half but the action was better.
BaneThoth766 t1_je3zdr8 wrote
Keep watching it, it’s good
dolpgg t1_je8h5dj wrote
D.B. Woodside holds court in this show as far as acting goes.
punkrawkstar t1_je3dukr wrote
If I could take my viewership of the Night Agent back, I would. Hands down the stiffest acting I can recall in any series with unreasonably sophomoric dialogue.
Stlouisken t1_je3m04q wrote
I agree that the dialogue is bad and the acting is subpar. But I need to find out the ending (on episode 4). Don’t give away any spoilers.
punkrawkstar t1_je3si9g wrote
I was the same way, had to get to the end. I'm not going to hold you back. Go for it!
rtseel t1_je52y52 wrote
> the dialogue is bad and the acting is subpar.
I finished ep.2 . It's not that it's bad or subpar, it's just bland. And had me rolling my eyes a couple of times...
I'm not sure I'll watch ep.3.
Stlouisken t1_je5cpzm wrote
Yeah, was definitely rolling my eyes a few times too.
BaneThoth766 t1_je3zbzu wrote
It’s pretty good imo
metronomemike t1_je5psg5 wrote
Because it’s the only new thing on Netflix. It doesn’t matter they’ll still cancel it.
BrowsingWhileBrown t1_je3qbxa wrote
So it’ll be cancelled in about a month?
RunningToStayStill t1_je3kh4t wrote
The bots and paid writers gotta flaunt this formulaic snoozefest every day.
SQUID_FUCKER t1_je4awvi wrote
What the hell is the point in hanging out on a television subreddit if you're just going to baselessly assume everything being posted is coming from bots and shills? It was the most watched series of the last week, yeah, people are talking about it. Big deal.
wise_prophet t1_je1lbxv wrote
Darn good numbers for The Night Agent.
RIP Shadow and Bone. Very poor 2nd week numbers.