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Mr_Paladin t1_iudiibe wrote

> It felt like no one could say they were upset about something without going into an extremely long extended monologue.

What is up with that? It’s not just Flanagan, either. I’m afraid it’s a growing trend that is just a reflection of how the generation taking the reins of this stuff actually communicates… or, rather, how they communicate online, because it is reeks of performative artifice.

My wife and I certainly aren’t that old, but we’ve been big Trek fans for ages. Although we watched, and mostly enjoyed the new Trek stuff, both Discovery and, to a lesser extent, Strange New Worlds are guilty of this. People are just emoting to 11, all the time. Everyone seems to be constantly on the verge of tears, either from sorrow or anger, and they’re ready to drop a super-heavy emotional monologue at the drop of a hat. It’s exhausting.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not some crusty, macho, the-only-feeling-I-feel-is-anger guy. I cry at Adventure Time, I freely admit this. I get choked up damn near every night when we watch Bluey.

But these shows, this monologue heavy style, seems to have gleefully abandoned the old adages of “show don’t tell” and “less is more” in favor of “tell tell tell” and “more is more.”

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trooperdx3117 t1_iudjeaw wrote

I've noticed this too and I think it has something to with this term I've heard called "viral-logues".

The idea being right now there are scenes in tv shows being written and framed in a specific way that they are easily screenshot able and shareable over Twitter and tik tok etc. The idea being people share them and make wild exclamations like "So true", "This speaks to me", "louder for the people at the back".

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Theotther t1_iudt25w wrote

Or Mike Flanagan had a deep love for gothic horror and American Gothic especially and wears that influence on his sleeve. And gothic literature is absolutely steeped in monologues or internal asides.

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pinkminerva t1_iue1jlq wrote

Not speaking on Mike Flanagan specifically, just on the general increase in monologues in movies and shows- some of them are very obvious award shows bait, whether it be for the actor or the writer. And the more commonplace it gets, the more unconvinced I am. Like when a character launches into a monologue and the scenery chewing just screams obvious and unsubtle 'LOOK AT ME IM ACTING' vibes...it takes me out of the scene.

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nayapapaya t1_iue27k4 wrote

I don't really buy this idea because monologues due to their length are inherently not easy to screenshot and share.

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SeanOuttaCompton t1_iueq4eb wrote

Yeah there’s like one monologue that I know if that’s gone viral and it was the chicanery one from better call Saul- so a series that already had a dedicated, hardcore fan base to begin with. Blaming it on the darn kids and their memes seems a little boomery to me

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Asiriya t1_iuhi4by wrote

That was earned though. That was like three seasons of malice finally exploding on to the screen. It wasn’t monologue-o’clock every episode

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drupoxy t1_iudooua wrote

Haven't seen Midnight Club yet, but I think Midnight Mass is on another level. It's not the acting, it's the writing. I will post a snippet from the script of episode 6 from Midnight Mass, in which the sheriff is asked to investigate a suspicious church, and, rather than simply say "there's no way these people who barely tolerate my religious beliefs would allow this", he sets off into this. And bear in mind this isn't even the stupidest monologue this episode, I'm just posting it because it doesn't really spoil anything and is easy to see how stupid it is without context. The actual stupidest monologue in the show is the one about Ignaz Semmelweis earlier in the episode.

Anyway, here's the sheriff's response that should have been two lines of dialogue:


What exactly are you asking of me?

I suppose I’m asking you to look into it.

Look into what, exactly?

Look into St. Patrick’s?

On… And just to be clear, on the basis that some of your mother’s blood tests got damaged?

It’s a lot to ask, I know.

Do you?

[Sarah sighs]

Do you?

[clicks tongue] Did I ever tell you why I moved here?

No. No, I don’t think you did.

Didn’t tell anybody, now that I think about it.

It’s almost as if nobody asked.

You know, I was, um, 21 when the Towers went down.

Watched it on TV in my dorm room just weepin’.

When I was a kid, I wasn’t religious at all, really.

But I went to the mosque that day, because they had a blood drive, and the line went for blocks.

I wanted to help.

I wanted to protect this country.

So I moved to New York and enrolled in NYPD training.

Now, some of my friends, they weren’t happy.

“NYPD is against us,” they’d say. But I’d tell them, “No. You’re wrong.”

“I’ll show them they don’t have to be afraid of us.”

“I’ll show them who we are.”

So I worked my way up.

You know, traffic, and translating and transcribing wiretaps, then Vice.

I get married. Ali is born, and I’m promoted again. Detective now.

Top secret security clearance for the joint terrorism task force.

I’m helping the FBI fight terrorists.

We’re taking collars. You know, petty stuff, pot, parking tickets and leaning on them hard if they’re Muslim.

“You know, we’ll drop the charge, help you out.”

“You go to the mosque and listen.”

I thought we were supposed to be fighting terrorists.

Not flipping some pothead student in Queens to spy on Americans.

So I complain.

Gently. One time.

Everything changed.

I was surveilled by other cops.

I mean, they even had an official file on me.

And not just me. See, like, after the Towers, Muslim officers were promoted fast. Especially if we knew the language, like, linguistic knowledge, cultural knowledge.

We were very desirable for that.

But it started to occur to them, with so many of us on the force, elevated to positions of real authority, what if that had been our plan all along?

What if we were interlopers?

What if we were infiltrators?

What if we were double agents? And they fucking panicked.

Internal Affairs was suddenly all over us. We were being followed.

We’re being recorded. Civilians too. Surveilled at mosques, cafes.

And suddenly I’m out of plain clothes and I’m back in uniform.

Night shift, street beat.

And more and more, I realize I’ve lost their trust.

I roll with it.

I keep my head high.

Dignity.

Dignity is a word my wife uses.

“Show them dignity.”

And then she’s diagnosed.

And she’s robbed of her dignity so fast.

And then she’s gone.

And I couldn’t…

Ali and I get as far away as we can. And I find this gig.

This little island.

So sleepy, it could be dead.

No elections, no staff. Just a tiny room at the back of a grocery store, and a bunch of fishermen without a notable incident of intentional violence in almost a century, and I beg for the post.

Dignity.

Ali is bored to tears.

But he’s safe.

And I still think I could maybe move the world that one millimeter.

You know, maybe here’s where we make a difference.

Not in the big city, but in this tiny village.

Win over the fucking PTA and call it a victory for Islam.

So I don’t intimidate.

I don’t overshare or overstep or intrude in any way.

I don’t even carry a gun.

And still…

Still…

Beverly Keane and a few others too look at me like I’m Osama bin-Fucking-Laden.

And you’d like me to investigate St. Patrick’s?

For what it’s worth, I want very much… very much to be wrong.

[Sarah sighs]

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Tayreads608 t1_iufb0wr wrote

Just my two cents, but I think a lot of this stems from the fact that horror has had to work within the subtext for much of its existence and also that it’s not getting a bit of a mainstream resurgence with the whole “elevated” horror thing.

Horror has always been elevated, but it’s message has been highly subtextual for a very long time. Take something like the queerness in The Haunting being highly coded to Theo openly being a lesbian on The Haunting of Hill House. Couple the fact that a lot more can be openly said with the popularity of highbrow horror and a general audience that might not be super familiar with horrors history and I think you have some filmmakers who don’t trust their audience to get what they are trying to do so they do a shit ton of hand holding. Instead of just leaving a lot of stuff up to the viewer to get or interpret Flanagan verbally tells the audience what he wants them to know. I’m his effort to make elevated horror he’s just making super easy and digestible horror. That’s not necessarily a bad thing depending on what you like.

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Krutiis t1_iuet5jj wrote

I like your comment and the content you are expressing. I also like the possibly intentional irony of explaining your dislike of monologues with the Reddit equivalent of a monologue.

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Mr_Paladin t1_iuf8xil wrote

Hah! Just call me Polonius, because I, too, think brevity is the soul of wit…

And in this 25 point essay, I’m going to explain why:

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RemnantEvil t1_iughz0z wrote

Bluey has a seven-minute runtime, which forces the writers to be very clever with how they communicate emotion. The noble idea of streaming services having different runtimes per episode was that writers should not be constricted to force every episode into a 42-minute box, allowing for shorter stories without padding or longer epic episodes. The downside is that there's no need to be economical with words, necessarily.

Bluey's a whole other bag. Clearly the writers are geniuses and some of the experimental stuff they've done is top notch.

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ManiacalDane t1_iuioglu wrote

It's not like old Star Trek isn't heavy on monologues at times, and throughout every damn episode is full of clunky, dreadful writing. But damnit it's fucking fun and somehow despite a lot of things in my mind being really bad about it... I just... Still think it somehow holds up well. I may be entirely wrong, though!

Anyway, hard to say how things made in this day and age hold up a few decades down the line.

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