Echo 3 - Series Premiere Discussion

Submitted by NicholasCajun t3_z2j7ut in television

#Echo 3

Premise: After scientist Amber Chesborough (Jessica Ann Collins) disappears near the Colombia-Venezuela border, her brother (Luke Evans) and her husband (Michiel Huisman) set out to find her in this series based on Omri Givon's Israeli series "When Heroes Fly" and inspired by Amir Gutfreund novel of the same name.

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symphonix t1_ixgqkts wrote

Pretty generic with some terrible acting and writing

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ALaccountant t1_ixhh0e5 wrote

I turned it off on the mountain fight scene in the first episode. I’m normally super into this kind of stuff, but it was just poorly done that I couldn’t force myself to continue.

Also, the dialogue is awful… goodness

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thetaxidermy t1_ixi28f1 wrote

I’m at that scene now, and the music is TERRIBLE! It sounds like something you’d hear in a boutique store in Arizona.

EDIT: And, I’m sorry, but I just don’t buy that they would call up a Special Ops squad that they know is at a wedding for a mission that’s going to happen the very next day. Not to even mention the fact that one of the members of said squad is the groom!

Edit: And an active Specs Op soldier is going to run for Senate? I mean, presumably, he would retire first - but not even start as a Congressman?

Final edit: Just finished episode one. Yea, not continuing on with this one

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ALaccountant t1_ixi5t2p wrote

Agreed with you on all accounts. Also, their decision-making and communications are C tier movie caliber. Not to mention their weapons sound and look like cheap air soft models. lol. This one is going to be a hard pass for me.

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bishopcheck t1_ixkl7jq wrote

> And an active Specs Op soldier is going to run for Senate? I mean, presumably, he would retire first - but not even start as a Congressman

TBF Eisenhower didn't retire until he won the New Hampshire primary. He did not run for congress or senate before running for President. So, its not without a similar precedent.

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song4this t1_ixi6nzo wrote

I was like "wouldn't a thermal imager be pretty useful? They must have left em with the snow shoes..."

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PetyrDayne t1_ixgr8nn wrote

41 minutes in and it's painfully generic. Say what you will about Amazon dad action shows but they manage to keep you watching. American action thriller tv shows are getting so boring lately though. The new season for Jack Ryan has him racing to stop rogue Russians wanting to set off a nuke. I can already see myself sleeping halfway through the first episode.

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dangermouse13 t1_ixh9fvr wrote

Yeah this was bland. In all honestly I’m not fussed if JR is about nukes and Russians, my issue with both the last 2 seasons of that is that it’s been executed so badly

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havabeer t1_ixj9e1h wrote

I don't know if using callsigns in daily life is a thing but it's cringe either way. And living in multi million dollar mansions while its apparently unsafe to go out for a run?

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Caribgrunt t1_ixovvod wrote

This has cringe written all over it. Wrong actors, no chemistry, dumb names, terrible tactics and the list goes on and on.

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bernsteinschroeder t1_ixtvl42 wrote

> Wrong actors, no chemistry

I have to agree with this assessment in spades and add in bad directing as well. This is awful to watch; I doubt I'm going to make it to the end of the the 2nd episode.

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Rex-Apium t1_ixujdw7 wrote

Throughout the first episode I skipped all the interpersonal drama. It felt forced and unnatural.

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MrAliAdel t1_ixgpjcv wrote

Not interesting enough.

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idontplaymetadecks t1_ixjk3pd wrote

Why does it feel like a student film...

Plus I think I could run military operations better than they do

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coly8s t1_ixkag6j wrote

Where did they get multi-million dollar homes? I must have spent my 27 years in the wrong military.

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jayhat t1_ixkyird wrote

The younger soldier (husband) comes from a rich family. His mom says “your rich friend” when talking to the brother at the wedding. In episode 2 the husband says to her brother something like - “no offense but part of you is still a kid from the sticks, I know you’re all enamored when you’re in the same room as a 3 star but when I was a kid we had CIA directors at our dinner table begging us for crumbs. I know how these decisions are made”. So he obviously comes from a family with a lot of means and power. All that said, I find it funny he comes from those kinds of means and is a delta operator, but is still totally oblivious his wife works for the cia.

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trukundo t1_iy5py59 wrote

I was going to say. If he was just a Westpoint grad serving as a high ranking civilian officer, then maybe. But for him to be an actual soldier is completely unrealistic. This entire show feels like Apple just has money to waste and is throwing it at anyone who is willing to take it. 200 Billion in overseas cash reserves. They need to prove the are actually losing money so the IRS will leave them alone.

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bishopcheck t1_ixkjg80 wrote

Start at military academy, serve during wartime, spend 37 years active duty, retire, become president. Rake in the sweet president salary along side your lifetime O-10 General of the Army Pay.

Helps if you're named Eisenhower.

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bibimbabka t1_iy0qklm wrote

WHY IS THIS SHOW SO BAD it was clearly very expensive to make the actors are all individually talented but its the most unnatural, atonal and awkward thing I’ve ever seen Nobody has any believability

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turkeygobblegobblr t1_ixhoa8y wrote

Strike Back did it much better on a much lower budget.

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Efficient_Truck_9696 t1_ixoddyz wrote

I had a hard time taking Strike Back seriously. I thought it was pretty cheesy to be honest. Im surprised we are even comparing the two. Strike Back much more inferior in terms of acting, production, character development etc.

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turkeygobblegobblr t1_ixou6ns wrote

Strike Back doesn’t take itself seriously, has far better action, and some great villains.

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Efficient_Truck_9696 t1_ixp2801 wrote

I would say it has more action but I’m not sure if would call it better. Strike back action sequences feel rushed and you rarely sense that the protagonists are in danger. I just remember being not very impressed with the realism and attention to detail. In Echo 3 movements and action sequences feel very tactical and purposeful. The cover and move sequences when two protagonists break into the suspected kidnappers hideout is just awesome.

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InvestigatorTimely52 t1_ixpejmt wrote

This has even worse acting and lines. cab't believe this is the same writer that was an Oscar favorite.

It's like they hear what money Apple is offering and they rush to adapt some series they've watched or heard of without much finesse or grit.

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song4this t1_ixs8v01 wrote

Strike Back is not meant to be taken seriously - it is a glorious action adventure bromance with guns, explosions, and fierce women!

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RoseKonani t1_ixk2evf wrote

How similar is it to Strike Back though? I’ve missed watching a straight action show like that.

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jayhat t1_ixl0ddi wrote

Only 2 episodes in and it’s not really that similar. This seems to take itself more seriously and attempt to have some more depth.

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Rex-Apium t1_ixujxot wrote

They don't behave like military personnel.

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song4this t1_ixi6q8i wrote

r/echo3

Having watched all 3 episodes (ep 2 is the best IMHO) I am suspecting that this show is a very subtle snub at US foreign policy and the ultimate futility of US military intervention...

If true, then this is superbly well done...

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sethcarus t1_ixizaxd wrote

As soon as the guy who just got married ambushed his brother in law at a dinner and accused him of blowing the mission, I could almost predict the rest of the show. His entire speech about military accountability made my sphentic pucker up. Wasn't it the fault of the guy who just got married that the op went sideways?! The guy who died on the mountain was left there because the guy throwing accusations was wounded and everyone had to completely go off script to rescue him. So how does this character have any credibility after the total snow job he just pulled on everyone.

First of all... special forces teams are so bonded to each other this would never happen except apparently in this woke wet dream of a pseudo military story. They just don't think like that whatever th3 reason. The loyalty between members of a squad like this runs so deep rhat there's almost an irrational kind of faith in their other squad members.
They wouldn't risk the dynamic changing which would expose them to incredible vulnerability when in combat.
This puff piece of a film is out of its depth . This is why the entire industry is collapsing. They have lost their self awareness about stuff they cannot understand... this is abysmal...

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kazh t1_ixn1czk wrote

Special forces teams have murdered each other to cover crimes, what are you talking about?

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sethcarus t1_ixo9c48 wrote

They are part of the same unit. You have one guy who is pouting for awhile before condemning his brother in arms for an op going wrong when he is actually the reason why everything went all wrong. It's just the high school soap opera vision of a special ops thriller. They may as well should be arguing over who used the last roll of toilet paper. It's just a joke...

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bernsteinschroeder t1_ixtwsid wrote

Contrast this to SEAL Team where the team leader (due to TBI) forgets they found explosives in a part of the building and tries to breach a door near it with, you guessed it, explosives. Nearly blows his entire team to pieces and they all wind up in the hospital.

When they piece it together, what happens? No pissy treatise, no acrimony, nada. They rallied around him even though HIS error nearly killed them.

> special forces teams are so bonded to each other this would never happen

And if it did need to happen, it'd be behind closed doors, with just the team, and absolutely not in a public place with someone who is not part of the team, family or not.

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sethcarus t1_ixu0p6j wrote

Thank you. Sometimes on these threads I start to wonder ior worry that at sone point f I've quietly switched places with some other version of myself in a different dimension where my subtext and cultural references are incongruous with everyone who are at home there...

I feel relieved to hear someone reframe what I was hoping to discuss in a helpful way.

I grew up in a household where I never had the honor of serving but my father was from rhat world. So the men and women in our armed forces deserve faithful representation at the very least. If nothing else I think we can try to do them proud with accurate and credible stories of the kind of service and sacrifice that isn't as common as it was once.

I think it deserves to be revered. I really loved rhe terminal list. Something about that movie really moved me. But this apple series Echo 3 just turned me.off twice before i reached the halfway mark in the first episode. No promise it can offer is enough to forgive how awful that writing is.

Anyway... has there been any other recent series or films which do provide insight and respect on military service that you've have seen?

I'm definitely aware of the void left bu the echo 3 disapointmwnt...

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tommyrib t1_ixrcd6e wrote

Anyone know what song that plays after episode 2? During the end credits

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lulu_l t1_ixw8x0n wrote

Use the mic on the Google app to recognize the song.

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Mooshmo t1_iybu8mm wrote

This show is hot garbage. Someone in spec ops would probably die laughing at all the tactics they got wrong in this. We arent even talking about how bad the acting is or the piss poor dialogue i fast forwarded through.

Holy shit shows keep getting worse…

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aflockofbugles t1_iye8dps wrote

I’m only at the beginning of episode 2. So far the acting is pretty bad and most of the dialogue between the cast seems forced and awkward. Hopefully it gets better! 🤞

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