Submitted by greenbean0721 t3_zqc73v in television
Based on the ads I see for Yellowstone, it seems like a western version of Succession. Does anyone else see the similarities?
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kazh t1_j0xkq39 wrote
Succession writing also doesn't babysit its characters. Sheridan keeps the main characters in safe gray areas because he very much panders to a demographic with them.
Tracedinair76 t1_j0za0id wrote
Which is a shame because I really loves Hell or Highwater and Windriver.
Dandan0005 t1_j0zrera wrote
Someone said the scenery is the best character in Yellowstone and I couldn’t agree more.
thedon572 t1_j10htzc wrote
Yeah one of those the setting is the best character kinda things
exodus3252 t1_j10n1rr wrote
Agree.
Seeing Kelly Reilly in tight fitting clothing is a close second.
The_Voice_Of_Ricin t1_j0xih15 wrote
Haha I love Succession and have only seen one extended scene from Yellowstone, but I had a feeling it was exactly as you described.
Pikesmakker t1_j0zehut wrote
sounds horrible
Stevenstc21 t1_j0xxdq4 wrote
1000000000% this.
giandan1 t1_j10en01 wrote
Incredible take
austin06 t1_j10epjb wrote
This is just perfectly put. Thank you.
staffu22 t1_j11ggyz wrote
1883 is drastically better. Couldn't stand Yellowstone, but 1883 was great.
climaxingwalrus t1_j0y88up wrote
Damn you made a thread based off ads
greenbean0721 OP t1_j0yjz7v wrote
Not entirely true. I’ve watched all three seasons of Succession. But the multitude of ads for Yellowstone show a powerful and wealthy man who uses his position to manipulate others, a daughter who is loyal to her powerful father and a son who wants to take down his father. The central theme of both shows seems to be “us vs. the rest of the world trying to take what’s ours”.
I tried to watch Yellowstone and couldn’t get into it. I should have been more clear in my original comment that, on a superficial level, Yellowstone seems like a copycat Succession with a western theme.
I appreciate all of the comments and the deeper comparisons and analysis of characters, writing, etc.
PinkPicasso_ t1_j11cvc6 wrote
you're okay op, people hate people who just vibing with their thoughts smh
allen_idaho t1_j0xydn7 wrote
It's more of a cowboy version of Sons of Anarchy. A lot of murder and violence.
The prequel, 1883, was surprisingly good though. Much different tone. And the next prequel, 1923, just premiered the first episode. It's looking good so far.
DustedGrooveMark t1_j0zdtrw wrote
I loved the first prequel (going to check out 1923 this week), but I have a feeling the prequels are actually contributing to the decline in quality of Yellowstone.
I don't know any of this for certain, but in my opinion, it almost seems like his plan for Yellowstone is to have all of the prequels lead to its culmination. At least with 1883, it 100% showed how the ranch came to be and tied into the present-day series by explaining that the family would have to return the land in seven generations. So the prequels are definitely building up to the end game of Yellowstone and aren't simply there JUST as an extra little spinoff for fun. They're actually serving a purpose in the grand scheme of things.
But the downside of this is that I get the vibe that Yellowstone is just meandering and killing time until the prequels can run their course. They are going to milk the main series for all it's worth so they definitely won't just take a hiatus or anything, but at the same time, they seem like they are stalling the story until the appropriate time to move forward.
Everything they do in Yellowstone now is just meant to maintain the status quo. No main characters are ever really in danger, they hardly evolve, the overall plot moves at a snail's pace, etc. It just never progresses because they don't want to do anything drastic just yet.
BuckeyeSouth t1_j0yt6v1 wrote
Agree with this one 100%, I've said the same thing. Yellowstone just doesn't live up to the hype. Jimmy is a poor-man's Juice.
I'll need to check out the prequels.
Hooligan8403 t1_j11q32t wrote
SoA for.cowboys isn't far off. I've seen several truck rolling around town with the Yellowstone logo on it as well.
predict_irrational t1_j0xvgrt wrote
Yellowstone is a soap opera on a ranch which isn't a bad thing but Succussion is the best series out in my opinion
no_more_secrets t1_j0xze82 wrote
There is literally nothing similar between these two. Even calling both Succession and Yellowstone a TV show is a grave disservice to Succession and the definition of TV show.
RusevReigns t1_j0xe9gr wrote
Succession is more black comedy-ish than Yellowstone to me. The plot can be compared to it a bit but they're two of many film or shows with King Lear-ish elements.
Signiference t1_j0y7bq3 wrote
Yellowstone is a soap opera that gets way too much credit. The amount of contrived danger plot points is worse than S2 of Lost in Space. After the horse fly and the slip and fall bust your head open events I was done with that show. It would have been a lot better if they dialed it back a bit.
TattooedHarlot07 t1_j0z4g1y wrote
I saw someone describe Yellowstone as “Succession for Trump supporters.” Haha
NestedForLoops t1_j0zig11 wrote
It does feel like a right wing fever dream.
the_turdfurguson t1_j0y4bj0 wrote
Jamie = Kendall
That’s about the only similarity. Capable, scorned, and vengeful. Logan Roy has no children he wants to hand the business over to while John Dutton, and Beth, have made it Crystal clear that Kayce is the heir apparent. Hell, Logan Roy is nearly polar opposite of John Dutton in personality and business sense. Roy will adapt to kill and Dutton will die to preserve
The Duttons are family first while the Roys are all in it for themselves individually. The arcs are vert different
_CodyB t1_j0zf3sb wrote
Succession is many many tiers above Yellowstone. It's writing rivals the greatest of prestige television.
Yellowstone takes itself too seriously
thebeginingisnear t1_j0zmo6p wrote
I keep seeing this term prestige television thrown around lately. what does it mean?
_CodyB t1_j0zp1ry wrote
Basically, tv drama was largely hit and miss for most of its existence. There are some outliers but basically they weren't seen as on par with cinema. In the early 2000s you got several tv shows through HBO such as the Wire, The Sopranos and Six Feet Under that basically changed the standard of what TV drama could be. Shorter season durations, more nuanced writing, more profanity and themes not usually considered suitable for the prime time slot. Part of was that HDTV was also making the viewing experience at home more enjoyable. Mainstream cinema also kind of sucked in this period.
From that you get your breaking bad, mad men, Friday night lights and in this generation it's Succession The Handmaid's take, ozark, Barry, Better Call Saul etc.
In short, tv drama used to be the super poor cousin to feature length films but now it stands probably in equal stature because of the prestige television movement
1biggeek t1_j0xuhmh wrote
No. Absolutely not.
Available_Ask_8725 t1_j0zroom wrote
Yellowstone is poorly written and lacks nuance and depth. Beth is one of the worst characters on tv and insufferable to watch.
greenbean0721 OP t1_j0zy7kt wrote
I think Beth is what put me off the show when I tried to watch. She seemed like such a cliched character that I immediately lost interest.
Crizznik t1_j10tll8 wrote
Not to mention she's invincible. Two attempts on her life that should have killed her and yet she's still alive.
troubleinpink t1_j11bl24 wrote
That actress was on a great British show called Britannia and she’s fantastic, it’s such a weird casting choice. She fits the fantasy/Celtic princess vibe perfectly. Yellowstone? Garbage
JessRoyall t1_j0y88tm wrote
Acting. Acting is the biggest difference between the shows. Writing too but the writers are handcuffed by the talent on Yellowstone.
SexyWampa t1_j0zaffg wrote
It’s more of a redneck Sopranos.
DisconcertingMale t1_j11fb4z wrote
I think this comparison gives Yellowstone a lot more credit than it deserves. Every episode since like halfway through the first season I’ve felt like the writers were surprised it was still running and were scrambling to find new stories. No clear direction and just lazy character development. The girl from Texas with the pink hair was funny though
MikeDamone t1_j0zbt10 wrote
Yellowstone is just over the top cowboy and cinematography porn. It's not even in the same league as Succession.
diablito916 t1_j0znw6t wrote
In the case of Yellowstone I couldn’t get past the realization that I was watching a contemporary nighttime soap opera
andjuan t1_j0zhmnj wrote
My biggest issue with Yellowstone is that it’s a show that doesn’t know what it wants to be. It’s part family drama, part crime drama, part show about life on a ranch, and part political drama. It doesn’t dive deeply into any of those enough for it to be a great show and it meandering back and forth hurts it a lot IMO.
choff22 t1_j0zq74w wrote
I mean there is only so much drama they can create from herding cattle…
thebeginingisnear t1_j0zmv6k wrote
eh I personally enjoy that it has all these vastly different layers to all the drama. I think I would be less interested if it focused in too much on any one particular facet.
aloofman75 t1_j11uv9a wrote
In the sense that I bailed on both shows after only a few episodes because all of the characters were too irritating, yes, they’re similar.
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ediblearrangement t1_j0zlub2 wrote
My favorite foods are lobster and skittles. Those are equal in my eyes.
sonofmalachy t1_j0zu5iy wrote
Difference is one show is good (Succession) and the other show is shite (Yellowstone)
ArsenalinAlabama3428 t1_j10i7v2 wrote
I adore Succession. I have tried twice to watch Yellowstone and just cannot get into it. So I do not think they are similar from what I have seen.
Mr_Strol t1_j1170ms wrote
Not at all. Succession is a very well written, deep show. Yellowstone is a fairy tale.
BoomerReid t1_j11ladi wrote
Not at all.
Stevieflyineasy t1_j11mojh wrote
they do have similarities in plot lines/ keeping family business running etc..
But other then that, succession is lot more comedic/city going themed..which I can see why people on reddit find more appealing...
I personally could not finish season 1 of succession, even with all the hype here on this subreddit.
think its just personal preference.. as I found yellowstone more fun to watch, reminded me of growing up in the western US...so, I think its all about preference if you had to choose between the two..
dougmcclean t1_j120nb9 wrote
There are some similarities, certainly. Power, grievance, aging, succession, incompetence, lawlessness, ethics replaced by insane codes of loyalty.
Also to The Mighty Gemstones. Also to Trumped (in which we all appear as extras).
NoisyCats t1_j1216sk wrote
Gangsters on a ranch. And I love it.
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nigevellie t1_j0zydko wrote
It's G A M E of T H R O N E S in Montana
cakeschmammert t1_j0zxqec wrote
Yellowstone is trash. It’s targeted for boomers that don’t know any better. My parents love it.
Mary_Pick_A_Ford t1_j10xhtq wrote
The only thing I know about Yellowstone is that racist conservative white boomers love it. I pretty much avoid anything that attracts that demographic because it’s very likely that I won’t like it myself.
Dissident_is_here t1_j0xgpb8 wrote
Not remotely close, other than the fact that both are centered on powerful families. Yellowstone is like if they stripped all the comedy, rich dialogue, social commentary, and tight plotting out of Succession; moved it to Montana; made all the characters paper thin and one note; and added ridiculous amounts of over-the-top drama and action.