Submitted by page0rz t3_zz8miu in television

I've never seen the show itself, but recently some retrospectives and interviews came up in my recommendations. Most of what they went into seemed obvious enough, but what I really don't understand is how, at it's height, it was somehow simultaneously the most popular television show in the world, ever, and also an already cheap production that was constantly under budget constraints. The actors are telling stories about how they had no real sets, were using production spaces as doubles, and almost everyone in the cast and crew was getting paid the absolute minimum possible. One of the main consultants (and also a character in the show itself ) said he made more money fixing decks over one summer than he made in his entire run on the show. And he was on it for 10 seasons

From what I saw, a network commissioned and produced the first season, all while execs thought the entire premise was absolutely moronic and unsustainable, so they cancelled it. Then Hasselhoff stepped in and put his own money up to finance a second season independently, which is when it first became a super cheap production, because they no longer had network backing or help. That makes sense. But then the show exploded, and they were somehow still broke? Like, they were still using footage shot for the initial pitch pilot as montage filler 6 or 7 seasons deep, because they wouldn't or couldn't shoot more. They were reusing entire shots from previous episodes and seasons to create basic action scenes, the scripts were always getting hacked apart and entire subplots were reedited into each other, or just moved into a different episode where they made no sense, and the ubiquitous use of slow motion and montages (again, mostly using old footage over and over) were necessary to fill time just to get episodes to the proper length. Everything was broadcast out of order, making the most basic storylines impossible to follow. It seemed like a real shitshow

And I could totally understand if the producers had decided to say, "fuck it," because the show was already insanely popular, so why put in more than the bare minimum? Except, there was this ongoing mocking of the show because it was (until recently) the longest running series to never win an Emmy, and the producer regularly made award bait episodes where someone got cancer or something and everyone could be sad and act a lot. It seemed that they were aware of the show's reputation and wanted to gain some respect, yet wouldn't up the production values enough to earn it. And again, this was all happening while Baywatch was the biggest scripted television phenomenon not just in the USA, but the whole world. The figures they quote is that Baywatch was watched by over 1 billion people weekly, throughout about 150 countries. A billion. How the fuck could they still not manage a couple extra script wranglers and a second unit director?

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mattdaddy44 t1_j2a5e40 wrote

Sex was selling the show, why try to reinvent the wheel? They already were making money hand over fist

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page0rz OP t1_j2agdmt wrote

If they were making money, why was it so cheap? If they didn't care, why were they trying to get awards? Hasselhoff was one of the producers and apparently he hated the sex angle and that the show was seen as garbage

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mattdaddy44 t1_j2ah7ou wrote

The show was garbage but enough males (adult & teens were) & Hasslehoff fans made it a cult classic. If I'm doing well without making the money, why start spending? No one went to Baywatch for its gripping dialogue

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billythepub t1_j2avzz2 wrote

I was around 5 when the show became a hit in 90 and it was watched by all kids my age too. We were too young to get the sex appeal of the show but I watched it religiously until I was 11 and its appeal was the music, the dramatic storylines and the coolness of it. Not everybody watched it for the flesh.

It was great escapism too as Ireland is dull and grey whilst baywatch was the exact opposite akin to the popular Australian soap opera home and away that was also very popular back then. Both were sunshine,blue skies and beautiful beaches with beautiful young actors. Everything about it was so different to what Ireland and the UK offered and watching the lifeguards in sunny california had a fantasy element to it.

I am in Ireland and there was only a handful of channels here at the time so we had limited options and it was broadcast on prime time hours so naturally everybody watched it. Generally back in the 90s everybody watched the same stuff on tv because generally there was a lack of option. It was much easier therefore for shows to become big hits. Baywatch was the most watched show ever back then. I recall seeing it on the records books saying it was the most watched show in the world.

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page0rz OP t1_j2axumj wrote

>No one went to Baywatch for its gripping dialogue

While that's true, Hasselhoff was both one of the producers of the show and someone who wanted to be taken seriously. That's one of the reasons they spun off Baywatch Nights (which they still cheaped out on) and kept doing serious dramatic episodes. I can still understand Hoff being coked out of his mind and taking in millions for a decade and so not caring, but what about everyone else involved? How are you on the most popular show in history and getting paid industry minimum to act out unfinished scripts without sets and not say anything?

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mattdaddy44 t1_j2b05pr wrote

U have good points. I guess since I'm a pro wrestling fan I'm used to unfinished scripts & half assed productions

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billythepub t1_j2aythq wrote

If they were making money, why was it so cheap?

Probably because the actors were all unknowns and wouldn't have been able to demand high salaries. Plus the show had quite a revolving cast,apart from Hasselhoff the vast majority of the big actors in it only stayed a few years and were likely signed on to cheap contracts for their duration. It's only when actors stay long in shows can they negotiate bigger salaries.

That and baywatch was on at a time when tv shows could be run on the cheap despite their popularity. Friends in the later seasons in the early 2000s was really the 1st time tv actors got mega salaries which started the trend. Back then the huge salaries and budgets were more reserved for film.

I recall Jason priestly from bh90210 saying the actors from that got pretty moderate salaries despite the huge popularity of the show and he said the actors of friends caused waves in the industry when it was announced they were to get a million per episode. Cheers finished in 93 and was one of the top shows in the world at the time and Ted danson was on 450k an episode which was seen as a massive tv salary for the 90s but he was on his 11th year as the lead in the show.

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grunkage t1_j2b80sq wrote

I don't think big budget TV was really a thing at that point, to be honest. If you started making money hand over fist with a show, you would just keep cranking on the formula and buy a new house. There was no reinvestment into the show. Makes sense really - the market is fickle and if the show lost popularity the next year, the additional money would be lost.

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pbecotte t1_j2bart5 wrote

The people writing the checks were not the ones writing and directing the episodes. Even if Hoff was a producer, doesn't mean he was the final say on budgets and expenses.

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WeDriftEternal t1_j2a8boi wrote

I've always suspected the financiers and EPs were making boatloads of money selling this show since it was a independently produced / syndicated show and they could and did sell to anyone who was paying. This wasn't super common at the time for a scripted show to not have a dedicated distributor, so since they didn't have a distributor covering 80% of production costs, the production company simply wasnt willing to front that much money

Short story, I was in a professional lecture with some people who's job it was to sell these kinds of TV shows to international outlets, and he talked how the shows were always cheap as hell to make because they could just make ridiculous money selling them in Europe if it lasted a long time.. but they could also get absolutely screwed if they had to put up production costs and then weren't able to sell it at a good rate because there were so many other shows out there for the international market.

I believe Baywatch was really big in Germany, and that was their go to for non-English markets (but might be wrong here)

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mike10dude t1_j2atggz wrote

Kind of similar to the cw's old business model that made the 2 company's who put shows on there lots of money

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page0rz OP t1_j2ay8cx wrote

Someone was definitely making money hand over fist. I'm surprised there wasn't an even higher cast and crew turnover

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page0rz OP t1_j2ag6xk wrote

I'm not talking about critics disliking it. I'm talking about one of the most popular shows in the history of television that somehow couldn't afford to construct sets or shoot extra footage of people hanging out on a beach

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facebook57 t1_j2aiijx wrote

You answered your own question. Spend less money on production -> make more profit

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page0rz OP t1_j2apmiq wrote

That's not really an answe as A: every television show could do that, and doesn't, and B: at least one of the producers wanted the show to be "better"

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facebook57 t1_j2aqgi0 wrote

No they couldn’t. People were willing to watch baywatch despite the obvious low budget corner cutting.

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page0rz OP t1_j2awuxz wrote

That's kind of circular. While it's true that reality TV would eventually overtake scripted television, primarily because it was so cheap, they still did and do make shows with budgets. Horror movies are popular because they can be produced on the cheap and still make money because people will watch them, but they still make horror movies with bigger budgets and better production. There was a crew and actors on set. Someone else was involved in Baywatch besides Hasselhoff

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singleguy79 t1_j2anvno wrote

Anyone remember Baywatch Nights?

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RealSunglassesGuy t1_j2b6t3z wrote

Sure. Baywatch trying to get some of those X-Files fans...

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e_x_i_t t1_j2dsuqz wrote

That was in season 2, when they got desperate after realizing that nobody wanted to watch a show about a Life Guard Detective, so they turned it into a show about a Life Guard fighting monsters.

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PuertoRock007 t1_j2a4ppt wrote

I just think we didn't have any better options at the time. I remember it aired on Saturday mornings or something when there was nothing else to watch.

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contaygious t1_j2a8ksp wrote

U got lots of 🎈🎈 to catch up

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Lalo_ATX t1_j2agge4 wrote

Good question. Where did the revenue go? How much of the total revenue went back to Hasselhoff?

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uwill1der t1_j2apda0 wrote

Hasselhoff got over 100 million off his deal through 11 years

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Lalo_ATX t1_j2b79j8 wrote

Sounds like a hell of a return on his initial investment!

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HotDogPerson t1_j2awl2k wrote

I was always bothered by the under the ocean footage which was clearly shot in a pool with some seaweed thrown in.

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bookant t1_j2c63r5 wrote

Streaming wasn't a thing yet. If you wanted to watch, you had to choose from what was on at the time on the few channels you had. A lot of syndicated shows like Baywatch would run at odd times like say Sunday afternoon. When it was a wasteland.

So you'd be flipping through the channels. Infomercial. Infomercial. Star Trek rerun, I've seen this episode like 50 times. Golf. Bowling. Infomercial. Brady Bunch, oh it's the Marcia Marcia Marcia one.

Hmmm. Some show about hot lifeguards. At least I haven't seen this before . . . .

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Standup2all t1_j2c9ouq wrote

Babes on the beach in skimpy bathing suits. What more for Red blooded guys. It’s not Brokeback Mountain.

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ohitsmark t1_j2cjdal wrote

As a kid, my family loved Baywatch. My mom loved the ocean and the beach, and to have a TV show like that excited her. I remember she taped every episode and must have had 20 some VHS tapes filled with episodes.

Maybe I'll give it a rewatch for nostalgia.

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NorvalMarley t1_j2dyi6c wrote

Probably will be available on one of the streaming platforms soon.

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