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eides-of-march t1_j1schxt wrote

Reply to comment by Sputniki in 'BLEACH: Thousand-Year Blood War' Part 2 Premieres July 2023 by MarvelsGrantMan136

Goku literally doomed 11 universes to erasure because he wanted to fight strong people

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solversavis t1_j1sf5fg wrote

Goku is notoriously selfish for a main protagonist. While Ichigo could be a subversion with his extensive self reflection, Goku could be said to take the opposite extreme. He once gave a senzu bean to his sons would be murderer, never once questioning if maybe that wasn't the right move.

And it definitely wasn't. The murder-suicide on king kai was completely avoidable. Even when his family wished him back he decides to fuck off and train for several years. Dudes a deadbeat dad by any definition. He chose to dies rather than stay with his family.

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THETRILOBSTER t1_j1syewh wrote

>He chose to dies rather than stay with his family.

He said he did that for Earth and his family's protection, since it seemed as though trouble had followed him around for the better part of this life.

But yes, poor Chi Chi. :( That woman may have a stick up her ass but she puts up with so much from that man.

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czartaylor t1_j1szkp9 wrote

Honestly, the sensu bean to cell is probably the most defensible punt made in DBZ. Because it was returning the favor to cell after he got his perfect form and decided to not kill everyone (even though it was well, well within his power to do so) but give everyone a chance to power up and fight him 1 on 1. The sensu bean was cell's one.

Also Goku was sure Gohan had that one, bean or no. Which he ultimately did have, the only reason it got close is because Gohan out of no where started to channel his inner goku.

It wasn't a good idea at any level, but it's definitely understandable why Goku, a notoriously lenient fighter with a lot of pride and honor, to do it for him. It definitely wasn't as egregious a punt as a) letting cell get his perfect form, b) gohan not killing cell when he had the chance the first time, c) krillin not destroying 18, d) 18 not running when vegeta was busy decimating imperfect cell.

Goku's many, many punts in the buu arc however.....

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kerriazes t1_j1tn473 wrote

Perfect Cell not killing everyone, even if capable, is not a reason to owe him anything, what the fuck?

By that logic, everyone on Earth owes everyone on Earth a favor because everyone on Earth is theoretically capable of killing any other person.

Giving Perfect Cell a Senzu bean directly lead to Cell evolving further.

Goku trusting Gohan is not a valid reason to endanger everyone on the planet.

Goku is reckless and thoughtless, and regularly puts everyone else at risk.

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Leshawkcomics t1_j1t3uo6 wrote

I remember that arc. It was one of the trio-de-dangers who insisted goku did that in-universe. No less than 3 times in the arc did they point out that said take is absolute bullshit.

Like, 3 different angels, including the head angel said “The 11 universes were going to die anyway. Goku’s suggestion is the ONLY reason they survived because he convinced God to give them a fighting chance.”

Do… Do people not actually watch the show?

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eides-of-march t1_j1xr4b2 wrote

Reminder that goku did all of this before he was told that all 12 were set to be erased. It doesn’t matter what the end result was if the intention was still there. Either way, there’s plenty of other instances of him being a total asshole ranging from being a deadbeat dad to actually murdering King Kai

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Leshawkcomics t1_j1y3zs8 wrote

His intention was to have a battle.

There is nothing wrong with that.

Also, would you like me to prove you wrong on the deadbeat dad argument?

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