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SuspiriaGoose t1_j1sjffi wrote

However, all the ‘he’s half every race ever in the story’ destined chosen one schtick is more than a little tiring and definitely common in shounen.

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AdministrationWaste7 t1_j1t8vnr wrote

I can't think of many shonen that does this. It's a very bleach thing.

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SuspiriaGoose t1_j1tcauj wrote

Naruto and One Piece both have some of this, with Naruto having a demon fox spirit and being the son of the Hokage (which makes his dream of being Hokage a lot less inspiring and charming) and Luffy seemingly related to the Dragon, the guy who hid the One Piece (I did stop reading OP a while ago, but that seemed to be what was being heavily implied then).

Full metal Alchemist has a bit of this with Ed and Al being the son of Hohenheim, but that’s much better handled.

My problem with Bleach is that Ichigo just has alllllll of it. Son of a noble family, son of a special genius Quincy, merged with an experimental hollow created by Aizen, potentially a son of the Soul King as well, a Fullbringer, a Vizard, and probably part demon by the time the Hell arc is halfway through.

That’s irritating and takes away his agency. At a certain point, every other character becomes more interesting than him because they’re not destined to be the Hero ™ .

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Sqiddd t1_j1tgds2 wrote

Monkey D. Dragon(Luffy’s father) didn’t hide One Piece. Man’s never seen the One Piece treasure.

As stated in the intro of the very first episode and every episode since, Gold Roger, the Pirate King, hid the One Piece, as he’s the one who found it.

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kane49 t1_j1uay6g wrote

His father and grandfather are two of the strongest people (ok you can argue about dragon) to ever live and some other stuff that i dont want to spoil here.

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SuspiriaGoose t1_j1vmrvr wrote

Sorry, his grandfather,Gol D. Roger. I read it back in 2010, gimme a break. Still from an important bloodline that gives him a massive unearned edge.

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Sqiddd t1_j1vphgs wrote

They’re not related at all bro. You can stop

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SuspiriaGoose t1_j1w0m2o wrote

So their names being Monkey D. And Gol D. Means nothing? Doubt.

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Sqiddd t1_j1w1cb1 wrote

As far as we know, it’s means something other than being related by blood yes.

Cause I know the series where as you’re speaking out your ass

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SuspiriaGoose t1_j1w6qln wrote

I stopped reading it in 2010 and am only recently picking it up again. I was merely noting that I tire of main characters in these stories being ‘special’ in some way,often related to their heritage. Luffy is far from the worst in that category, so honestly he’s not that bothersome to me on that score, but there is something there and it is a little annoying.

But go off, I guess. If I’m not a super fan, I guess I’m not allowed an opinion. But I did stop reading for a reason.

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Sqiddd t1_j1w8nte wrote

You stopped reading yet spouted shit you have no knowledge of.

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SuspiriaGoose t1_j1w91rz wrote

Hey, I got caught up to where it was at the time. Chapter 665 or something. That’s nothing to sniff at, it took me months. I’m allowed to have an opinion.

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Sqiddd t1_j1waxpx wrote

You made it to chapter 665 and still thought Luffy was Rogers grandson?

I’d start over from chapter 1

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SuspiriaGoose t1_j1wd7wg wrote

I did, actually. I’m rereading the whole thing now, but if the fans are as toxic as you I think I’ll drop it again. Who wants to deal with people like you?

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Sqiddd t1_j1wegd8 wrote

You apparently since you’re still here. That’s not my problem or my fault

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MexusRex t1_j21jwrt wrote

Ichigo’s not a chosen one tho >!he was manufactured to be that way. He’s more Frankenstein’s monster !<

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SuspiriaGoose t1_j222l5j wrote

That’s a variation on the chosen one. Plenty of others are that way as well. See Dune, Harry Potter, Anakin Skywalker, etc.

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RUS12389 t1_j1t8pra wrote

>destined chosen one

He isn't destined or chosen one though nor was ever stated to be.

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SuspiriaGoose t1_j1td2sh wrote

He very much is. By multiple things, even. He was selected by Squad Zero to replace the Soul King should anything happen to him (which is interesting, I’ll give it that, but also means Ichigo is OP as all get out). He was engineered by Aizen and then closely watched and manipulated for his purposes (robbing Ichigo of agency, another least favourite trope of mine). He’s the last scion of Shiba, a cursed Noble family, who are supposed to have a destiny in saving the universe, blah blah blah.

There’s so much.

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RUS12389 t1_j1tea65 wrote

>. He was selected by Squad Zero to replace the Soul King should anything happen to him (which is interesting, I’ll give it that, but also means Ichigo is OP as all get out).

He's not the only one.>!Even Ginjo could act as a replacement, moreover you can even create an artificial replacement like Hikone.!< And he was only selected as emergency battery.

>He was engineered by Aizen and then closely watched and manipulated for his purposes

Don't see how that make's him a chosen one or destined. It's not chosen by destiny or fate. It's just villain watching over him.

>He’s the last scion of Shiba, a cursed Noble family, who are supposed to have a destiny in saving the universe

  1. "last scion of Shiba" Ganju and Kuukaku
  2. "supposed to have a destiny in saving the universe" was never stated anything like that in the manga or novels.

Moreover, in Bleach's universe there already exists child of prophecy, the destined one about whom there were old poems - >!Yhwach. Yhwach is literally a child of SK. There's literally a whole destiny and prophecy about him. He is the closest thing to destined or chosen one in Bleach.!<

Ichigo isn't a reincarnation of somebody, like destined one in shonens. There's no prophecy about him like in other shonens. At least provide a proof where it was stated that he's a chosen one or chosen by destiny or fate or prophecy. It's funny to see people still post this misinformation.

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SuspiriaGoose t1_j1vn2yi wrote

Sorry, man. Ichigo is the special special, and that’s irritating to me. I still love Bleach, but there’s issues with the writing and Ichigo is a big part of them. His motivations are just very typical and he’s the most strong there is.

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RUS12389 t1_j1xci8f wrote

>Ichigo is the special special

There are already 2 people in Bleach like Ichigo who are perfect hybrids and 1 of them can use hybrid powers way better then Ichigo, so not that special.

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