Timperz t1_j5vw8na wrote
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I mean, his best movie (Knives Out) is literally just a pastiche of better genre films, so...
He is a good director, but a poor writer
But maybe Poker Face can break that mold
Malowski1 t1_j5w1yly wrote
> is literally just a pastiche of better genre films
God no, its much better, that category of films tends to be lacking especially in recent decades. its screenplay is also a lot more unconventional than those previousworks
>He is a good director, but a poor writer
This is dumb, his writing is his best strength, its what he tends to get nominated for.
Timperz t1_j5w57l0 wrote
>God no, its much better, that category of films tends to be lacking especially in recent decades. its screenplay is also a lot more unconventional than those previousworks
I agree Knives out was generally enjoyable, largely due to the cast. However, it isn't better than the best detective films at all.
But also, you just cannot convince me Glass Onion had good writing. The murder mystery with a secret twin trope was weak and the social commentary had the subtlety of a sledgehammer.
>its what he tends to get nominated for
Okay and? Crash was also nominated for a number of awards for its simplistic and unsubtle script
Just because I agree with the film's messaging on a ground level doesn't mean I am automatically compelled to praise the preachy writing
Malowski1 t1_j5zy5kz wrote
>I agree Knives out was generally enjoyable, largely due to the cast
The cast could have been changed out with whoever, they are working of his script.
>However, it isn't better than the best detective films at all.
For whodunnits, yeah, it is, maybe there are some which are in the same tier, but that would involve being nice to them.
>you just cannot convince me Glass Onion had good writing.
Excellent writing, aptly nominated.
>The murder mystery with a secret twin trope was weak
It was good actually.
>social commentary had the subtlety of a sledgehammer.
.....the character at the end explains, its not meant or designed to be subtle, its wearing its heart on its sleeve. (Hilariously people still failed to get it)
The strength of the writing involved the intricate of its plot as it unfolded. The plot twist adding another layer to the meaning of the previous segment.
>Okay and? Crash was also nominated for a number of awards for its simplistic and unsubtle script
Crash wishes it got the same critical reviews as The Glass Onion for its screenplay.
>Just because I agree with the film's messaging on a ground level doesn't mean I am automatically compelled to praise
Never claimed otherwise.
Timperz t1_j60ny0h wrote
>The cast could have been changed out with whoever, they are working of his script.
You must be delusional if you think the film's success wasn't primarily on the shoulders of the cast (Craig, Armas and Curtis especially). The writing was an afterthought.
>For whodunnits, yeah, it is, maybe there are some which are in the same tier, but that would involve being nice to them.
Lol ok, clearly you haven't seen many
>Excellent writing, aptly nominated.
Ok Rian we get it, you got some nominations, it was still bleh
>The murder mystery with a secret twin trope was weak
>It was good actually.
Let me guess, you also think BBC Sherlock was a good detective series, huh
>.....the character at the end explains, its not meant or designed to be subtle, its wearing its heart on its sleeve. (Hilariously people still failed to get it)
Ah yes, it was bad on purpose. That's just Rian's writing, it's not any 'design', he is just not a subtle storyteller. He thinks he deserves brownie points for shitting on conservatives (the lowest hanging fruit imaginable) instead of actually writing a compelling detective story. Glass Onion was a full showcase of his worst writing habits
>The strength of the writing involved the intricate of its plot as it unfolded. The plot twist adding another layer to the meaning of the previous segment.
The plot was nonsense from start to finish.
>Crash wishes it got the same critical reviews as The Glass Onion for its screenplay.
It did, at the time of release. Glass Onion will age just as poorly, if not worse, than Crash
>Just because I agree with the film's messaging on a ground level doesn't mean I am automatically compelled to praise
>Never claimed otherwise.
Glad we are on the same page
Malowski1 t1_j645tc7 wrote
>You must be delusional if you think the film's success wasn't primarily on the shoulders of the cast
It wasnt, it was the writing, that was the main source of praise, the cast even regarded the writing in these films as key.
We then get an overall new main cast and the next also receives strong praise, with the screenplay again being a highlight.
>The writing was an afterthought.
Now this is delusional.
>Lol ok, clearly you haven't seen many
Certainly none better, or one that goes off on such an unconventional route, but then at the end allows the watcher to have their cake and eat it.
>Ok Rian we get it, you got some nominations, it was still bleh
Cute, again, nominated and critically well received among audiences and critics.
>you also think BBC Sherlock was a good detective series
Saw one season, it was ok.
>Ah yes, it was bad on purpose.
Except no one said this.
>not a subtle storyteller.
Actually theres lots of different things that people and critics missed on first viewing which sites on the internet enjoyed highlighting. Also lots of subtle indicators of whats to come.
>He thinks he deserves brownie points for shitting on conservatives
This is a dumb view put forth by dim Ben Shapiro types, Knives Out takes digs at people expecting free hand outs regardless of their political ideology.
Glass Onion just takes digs at the grander than thou billionaire types high on their own supply, again, regardless of their political ideology.
>for shitting on conservatives
If you thought this its means you misread it or you are simply parroting something you saw on youtube which stated this.
>The plot was nonsense from start to finish.
No, it all followed an engaging and entertaining path from start to finish.
>Glass Onion will age just as poorly, if not worse, than Crash
Except it wont, it is a film which received higher critical acclaim from both critics and audiences. The third film in the franchise will actually be highly anticipated.
Crash is also the most boring go to film for conversations like this, pick something more original.
Timperz t1_j663rvu wrote
>the writing, that was the main source of praise
Citation needed
>We then get an overall new main cast and the next also receives strong praise, with the screenplay again being a highlight.
What highlight?
DAE narcissistic billionaires bad? DAE dumb conservatives bad?
The movie.
>Cute, again, nominated and critically well received among audiences and critics.
You are saying this like nominations are the end all be all testament of a film's quality; they aren't.
>Actually theres lots of different things that people and critics missed on first viewing which sites on the internet enjoyed highlighting. Also lots of subtle indicators of whats to come.
I'm convinced you are just making shit up at this point
>He thinks he deserves brownie points for shitting on conservatives
>This is a dumb view put forth by dim Ben Shapiro types, Knives Out takes digs at people expecting free hand outs regardless of their political ideology.
>Glass Onion just takes digs at the grander than thou billionaire types high on their own supply, again, regardless of their political ideology.
Knives out had an entire segment devoted to a 15-something year old being called a creepy alt-right incel, just so we are clear. And I agree, alt right incels are awful. But spelling this out so bluntly in your film will make your film sound aged and cringy too soon.
Glass Onion is even worse in this regard. Not to mention the peak cringe cameos like Serena's training program (Grant's cameo was the only time I laughed during the film, so there's that). And I don't care about billionaires' political ideology either. Johnson could rip them to shreds for well documented worker abuse or rampant fraud, instead he chose the surface level message 'billionaires are dumb'
>for shitting on conservatives
>If you thought this its means you misread it or you are simply parroting something you saw on youtube which stated this.
I have to give it to Rian, he truly made a film that is impossible to criticise. Braindead hamfisted messaging from start to finish with weak plot, bland cinematography and wasted cast list, but if you dare say ill word you immediately get labeled a Ben Shapiro fan.
He shat on the lowest hanging fruit. Crash was the epitome of DAE racism bad?, this is the same shit, just repackaged for 2022. People who want to watch Glass Onion already know and agree, people whom this film mocks will ignore it. No new ground has been broken, nothing poignant or original was said. And the mystery was utter shite, sorry. Nonsensical plot cheese full of holes.
>The plot was nonsense from start to finish.
>No, it all followed an engaging and entertaining path from start to finish.
Agree to disagree. I watched it with my family in Europe and they fell asleep half way through (and they liked Knives out). Truth is the film is just a boring vehicle for Rian's world views, otherwise the film drags to the finish line with grace and tempo of a drunken elephant. The film doesn't resonate outside of American politics.
Tár was a billion times more engaging and well crafted film that touched on many of today's issues much better than Glass Onion ever did. Watch it and you will immediately notice the stark contrast in the script quality.
>Glass Onion will age just as poorly, if not worse, than Crash
>Except it wont, it is a film which received higher critical acclaim from both critics and audiences. The third film in the franchise will actually be highly anticipated.
Avatar 2 was also highly anticipated and it is not peak storytelling either
It's 'anticipated' because Craig's Blanc is hilarious, that's it
>Crash is also the most boring go to film for conversations like this, pick something more original.
I can give you pointers to dozens of other Oscar/Golden Globes/whatever baits if you want
Malowski1 t1_j685h4q wrote
>Citation needed
Its easily available.
>DAE narcissistic billionaires bad?
Specific ones with specific traits.
>DAE dumb conservatives bad?
I explained this already, various groups were criticized but hilariously smooth brain ben sharpiro types failed to see this.
>You are saying this like nominations are the end all be all testament of a film's quality; they aren't
Bad reading comprehension on your part yet again.
An indicator of a films quality involves multiple things, yes nominations, but also critical praise and audience reactions. Rians recent work did well in all these regards.
>I'm convinced you are just making shit up at this point
Easily available.
>Knives out had an entire segment devoted to a 15-something year old being called a creepy alt-right incel
Yeah, something like a grand total of 25 seconds, while also criticizing other groups like holier than thou liberals.
>Not to mention the peak cringe cameos like Serena's training program
That was good.
>(Grant's cameo was the only time I laughed during the film, so there's that)
You laughed at someone opening the door?
>instead he chose the surface level message 'billionaires are dumb'
Bit them dim in many ways as shown recently in the real world as well being unoriginal and succeeding through circumstance.
>I have to give it to Rian, he truly made a film that is impossible to criticise.
You can, but here it aint going well.
>He shat on the lowest hanging fruit.
Previously you said conservatives in this regard, i corrected you. In onion its fluke billionaires...and their naïve sycophants.
> Europe and they fell asleep half way through
Some people have short attention spans, god bless them.
> The film doesn't resonate outside of American politics.
Except it was a critical and audience wise hit outside the US.
>Watch it and you will immediately notice the stark contrast in the script quality.
eh, thought it was just pretty good, my feelings really on it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ne9DNky1WyQ
>Avatar 2 was also highly anticipated and it is not peak storytelling either
Except, unlike Avatar, both Knives Out films, again, received high praise for their screenplays.
>It's 'anticipated' because Craig's Blanc is hilarious, that's it
Which is due to writing, which Craig himself praised. ( Im feeling he wasnt that happy with his Bond run)
>I can give you pointers to dozens of other Oscar/Golden Globes/whatever baits if you want
lol
Timperz t1_j6a98a0 wrote
>Europe and they fell asleep half way through
>Some people have short attention spans, god bless them.
Had nothing to do with their attention spans, but good job on a snarky comment that completely missed the point, I guess
>He shat on the lowest hanging fruit.
>Previously you said conservatives in this regard, i corrected you. In onion its fluke billionaires...and their naïve sycophants.
You didn't correct jack mate. He shits on the lowest hanging fruit, doesn't matter if it's conservatives, billionaires, Andrew Tate streamers or 'crazy libruls'. They are ALL low hanging fruit.
And yes I laughed during Grant's cameo, because he is actually funny and talented actor, unlike the script. It is no coincidence that the best parts were Hawke's and Grant's performances: they had limited screentime and didn't get completely sucked into Johnson's lazy writing schticks
Kathryn Hahn is one of the best comedic actresses working today and he gave her absolutely nothing to play with, which is a damn shame. The film is UNfunny. Also a bad mystery film. If not for the cast list, this film would fall into Netflix fodder bin, guaranteed
https://www.metacritic.com/movie/glass-onion-a-knives-out-mystery/critic-reviews
Not as unanimous praise as you think.
We can keep going in circles here, like you constantly deflecting 'easily available info' and never actually providing any evidence of your claims, because clearly you have no idea what the concept 'burden of proof' means
If you liked Glass Onion, be my guest, I truly don't give a shit you and thousands of others are happy to settle for appallingly mediocre entertainment just because the script validates your viewpoints. There are people that have the bar set a bit higher than that.
Malowski1 t1_j6aib9a wrote
>Had nothing to do with their attention spans
No, because you made it up.
>You didn't correct jack mate
I did.
>And yes I laughed during Grant's cameo
Im glad him opening a door tickled your funny bone, how your imaginary family didnt wake up from you chuckling is a mystery.
> It is no coincidence that the best parts were Hawke's and Grant's performances
The talk of the town.
>If not for the cast list
Screenplay.
>Not as unanimous praise as you think.
Never said it was 100% (few films are), but it was a critical success.
> 'easily available info'
Google.
>for appallingly mediocre entertainment
Critically acclaimed.
>There are people that have the bar set a bit higher than that.
Ben Shapiro, lol.
Timperz t1_j6awzkr wrote
>Had nothing to do with their attention spans
>No, because you made it up.
Yeah, I made it up for sure. I need to make up a basic personal story on Reddit rofl. Maybe your detective skills are so shite because you watch shite detective films
>You didn't correct jack mate
>I did.
Nope
>Im glad him opening a door tickled your funny bone, how your imaginary family didnt wake up from you chuckling is a mystery.
Yikes dude, yikes
>Screenplay.
Was bad, yes
>Not as unanimous praise as you think.
>Never said it was 100% (few films are), but it was a critical success.
Because of the cast and the politics
> 'easily available info'
>Google.
Still no sources on your claims. I'm not gonna do the work for you if you keep making shit up
>There are people that have the bar set a bit higher than that.
>Ben Shapiro, lol.
It's always projection. You might be on the other side of the barricade, but your mental capacity is similar to his. And I despise Shapiro
Malowski1 t1_j6cy978 wrote
>Yeah, I made it up for sure
Indeed.
>Nope
Yes.
>Yikes dude, yikes
Chuckling at door openings, only if your lethargic family was awake for this scene and others.
>Was bad, yes
Good and critically well received by audiences and critics.
>Because of the cast and the politics
Critics were quite clear that the Screenplays were the main strength.
>and the politics
When you thought he was being overly mean to conservatives.
Wild.
>It's always projection.
What projection exactly?
Timperz t1_j6dvhuw wrote
>Chuckling at door openings, only if your lethargic family was awake for this scene and others.
Yes dude, it was just bored Hugh Grant casually opening the door with a straight face. Not like there was an entire context, his nanny clothes and delivery. For someone who loves sniffing Rian's farts you sure missed the only passable comedic moment in the film
>Good and critically well received by audiences and critics.
Slightly above average reception, majority agreed it was noticeably worse than Knives Out. You can check out the Metacritic link again, because you have no sources for anything
>Critics were quite clear that the Screenplays were the main strength.
Nope again, and until you provide any resemblance of factual proof, you can keep living in a fantasy
>and the politics
>When you thought he was being overly mean to conservatives.
Your reading comprehension is appallingly bad. Read my comments properly or fuck off already
Actually nevermind, stop replying to me altogether, that would be much appreciated
>It's always projection.
>What projection exactly
Google it.
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