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stringrandom t1_j4sop24 wrote

Reply to comment by sara-ragnarsdottir in Stephen Colbert to Produce Series Adaptation Of Roger Zelanzny’s Sci-Fi Novels ‘The Chronicles Of Amber’ by Neo2199

While agreeing you’re probably right to be doubtful here, there are two things that give me hope.

The Chronicles of Amber are a complete story, so whatever gets made can follow from beginning to end.

Stephen Colbert is a huge nerd and, based on his LOTR fandom, is likely to push the production to follow the original story instead of just making shit up and calling it Amber.

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Houzeplants t1_j4u73wk wrote

Probably being true to a story does not make a good premium drama. It is a start, but it's not enough to be optimistic over. It's all about who makes it and, of course, how well they execute.

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stringrandom t1_j4u87g6 wrote

Very true and having reread the whole thing not that long ago, I can immediately foresee some likely changes to Flora, and many of the female characters to bring them along from the 1970s-80s, at a minimum. The production is still so far away at this point that I’m going to choose to be warily optimistic that it will get the full 60-100 episodes required and with a sufficient budget to do it right. Or, at least they’ll make it Corwin’s story.

In the worst case scenario, we’ll get The Witcher or Wheel of Time treatment and we’ll wish it never happened. Best case, we get LOTR or The Expanse.

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Les-Freres-Heureux t1_j4v9vmq wrote

A “complete story” doesn’t prevent renegade writers from using the IP as a vehicle for their terrible fan fiction. Just look at how they butchered Wheel of Time.

That being said, Colbert’s involvement is reason for hope.

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UnquestionabIe t1_j4xyv1f wrote

Amber wasn't really a complete story given how many major plot threads are left dangling at the end. If the author hadn't passed away he had plans to get back into it. And given how incredibly abrupt and anticlimactic the last scene is, coming off more like set up for the next arc, it's pretty disingenuous to pretend otherwise.

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AngelicDevilz t1_j4tr30o wrote

I don't know, he is a partisan talk show host. All he does is try and make all democrats and their talking points sound good. Anything a conservative does he tries to make sound bad even if its something he praised a Dem senator for a year prior. Shit I'm a communist but he is so pro establishment it grosses me out.

I could see him trying to turn villians into trump and having fantasy characters endorea 2023 Dem party talking points as the morality of the book. Def don't see him changing everything to throw identity politics everywhere.

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twbrn t1_j4ttkd9 wrote

> Anything a conservative does he tries to make sound bad

He doesn't really need to work to do that.

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AngelicDevilz t1_j4txurm wrote

I'm a communist, far left as you can go and this just isn't true.

An example is tighter immigration policy. Less workers in a country means companis are forced to pay citizens more to keep them. Without H1B visas they would have to provide free training to their low skilled workers in order to have enough specialists to produce their products/services thus raising people out of poverty. The way it works now is we just bring in upper class citizens from other countries whose families had enough money to send them to good colleges to take these jobs at lower wages than upper middle class Americans will work for thus lowering wages for the industry and helping well to do foreign citizens make slightly more while depriving their birth countries of the skilled labor they need. Immigration benifits the rich at the expense of the poor.

That's one example.

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hannibalbaracka t1_j4uy3lw wrote

It's a terrible example.

The US is currently experiencing a labor shortage, which is why you saw help wanted signs everywhere. Immigrants arent taking people's jobs, they help fill the gaps in working class fields.

Highly skilled immigrants on the other hand aren't lowering anyone's wages, they're just working in jobs in white collar industries and are treated the same as everyone else. Not to mention that immigrants have a massively positive economic benefit toward the country and are massively overrepresented in innovation and startups.

And then there are the moral implications of stricter immigration policy.

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AngelicDevilz t1_j4xjrsp wrote

So of you could hire someone from a foreign country for cheaper than it costs to train a local then why wouldn't you?

And the moral implication of a country not having enough doctors because they all try to immigrate is that the poor citizens of the native country that don't have the skills to get an H1B visa are left without enough doctors. NPR has done a few stories on its devistating effects in India for example.

Not to mention that universal healthcare and ubi are not possible in a system that allows for high levels of immigration.

But please,tell me how I am wrong instead of just claiming I am. I used to help illegally immigrants skirt the rules to avoid deportation before I became a communist because I was unaware of the impact on the working class.

I suppose of you don't want social saftwy nets and you don't care about Americans in poverty then immigration is great. In reality many of these people should be working to improve their own countries to get them at USA levels.

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hannibalbaracka t1_j4xo8pk wrote

Your entire premise is flawed.

A) There is little evidence that immigrants actually suppress wages of native born workers. https://nap.nationalacademies.org/read/23550/chapter/2

This is true for both blue collar and white collar workers.

B) Immigrants are also job creators. They are more likely to found businesses (and employ others) than native born Americans. https://insight.kellogg.northwestern.edu/article/immigrants-to-the-u-s-create-more-jobs-than-they-take/amp

C) The idea that it is incumbent on the United States to prevent people from entering the country as an altruistic measure to prevent brain drain in other countries is ludicrous. Not only does it actively hurt the United States, but it is not up to the United States to decide to help other countries in need of doctors by preventing them from immigrating to the US

D) Many countries with universal healthcare currently have high levels of immigration, so it is most certainly possible.

E) Many of these people who want to immigrate are incapable of “working to get their country to US levels” because of risk of persecution, war, climate disaster, authoritarian regimes, bad policymaking and more.

Immigration is proven to be good for the economy, good for immigrants, and good for workers.

And even if it wasn’t good for american workers (which it is), As a communist, you might remember that a certain someone said “Workers of the world, unite!” He didn’t say, “Workers of the world, as long as you’re American, unite.”

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AngelicDevilz t1_j4xq95b wrote

I still disagree but am too stoned and lazy to refute you with sources and bullet points.

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twbrn t1_j4vslv9 wrote

> An example is tighter immigration policy.

Thing is, their obsession with immigration isn't about H1Bs, it's about brown people coming over the border to work service jobs. Even there, it's more about propaganda than policy--"migrant caravans" anyone?

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AngelicDevilz t1_j4xho3q wrote

More unskilled labor also means lowering wages for low skilled be workers. If you can hire someone here illegally and pay them less than min wage and no taxes then why wouldn't you?

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Houzeplants t1_j4u6z8s wrote

As you needlessly inject politics into this conversation, I'd ask you to consider the possibility that this could be a bit of projection on your part.

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AngelicDevilz t1_j4u7hwt wrote

I hope so, but if it was Tucker Carlson that was big into Sci-Fi and producing a Hyperion series would you not be worried? I know I would.

Edit: I'll take the downvotes as a yes,I'm right and am downvoted because you don't have an argument so you cannot reply

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