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Carniequeue t1_izig13l wrote

Reply to comment by KungFuTuna in TIFU by mistaking my autogynephilia for gender dysphoria by WonTaPooSee

That’s not what this comment is saying at all. It’s fine that OP ultimately decided he was not trans. But in doing so, he doesn’t need to lend credence to a debunked theory that is used to discredit trans people on a daily basis.

Many trans people can feel very turned on or have erotic thoughts about themselves being recognized (or just recognizing themselves) as their preferred gender. This does not make their identity a fetish. It does not make their gender dysphoria any less real.

In the end, OP seems to no longer be questioning their gender nor be struggling with gender identity. That’s great. But I do t think it would be hurtful or invalidating to recognize that what he went through was a genuine part of the process of coming to where he is now and not a near miss of a fetish almost leading him into a mistake as he seems to be suggesting in this post.

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Figgy20000 t1_izj2v4e wrote

It's incredibly hurtful and invalidating to just call his lived experience a debunked theory that doesn't exist, and clearly he isn't trying to discredit anyone. What is wrong with you. You're unbelievably direspectful to the people you pretend to be trying to protect and are just as horrible as the Transphobes.

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CouldntThinkOfClever t1_izkkcq0 wrote

Autogynephilia is 100% a debunked theory

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InevitableStill9391 t1_iznp4h1 wrote

OK, say the person who coined the term autogynephilia is wildly misguided in their understanding of the subject and is talking shit, which is clear. That doesn't debunk the reality that there are absolutely people who feel sexually aroused by the idea or image of themselves as the opposite gender and 'autogynephilia' is the word we all use to describe that fetish. Call it autogynephilia or call is something else but those people exist all over the world. So the theories of the person who coined the term have been thoroughly debunked, but the fact that people with that particular fetish exist everywhere absolutely hasn't.

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CouldntThinkOfClever t1_iznpfuz wrote

Yeah it is. If it does exist it's excessively rare the way you phrase it.

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InevitableStill9391 t1_iznq53y wrote

Yeah it is what? I didn't say it wasn't rare. It very likely is. Many things are rare or unusual but exist all over the world.

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CouldntThinkOfClever t1_iznyv8i wrote

"exist everywhere" implies frequent

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InevitableStill9391 t1_izo0xzg wrote

Something can exist all over the world and still be rare. Like you can have a rare genetic disease that exists in almost every country of the world but is still extremely rare. But I feel like you're focusing on something I've already clarified and ignoring the actual point of my original comment.

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CouldntThinkOfClever t1_izo1qyi wrote

What you're doing is ignoring the precise nature of the debunking of AGP

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InevitableStill9391 t1_izo1xt7 wrote

I don't understand what you mean? Please explain.

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CouldntThinkOfClever t1_izo33tl wrote

The big reason it was debunked: many cis women masturbate to their own image. AGP is only significant when you ignore what cis women do

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InevitableStill9391 t1_izo48m1 wrote

What? OK, I'm completely lost. So because there are cis women who masturbate to pictures of themselves, this debunks the belief that autogynephilia exists? This is a confusing af concept your posing to me as is, but if women are masturbating to pictures of themselves, they're not being sexually aroused by the idea of themselves as the opposite sex. It's a female masturbating to themselves while being female (which I find extremely odd, but can easily believe happens) so how does this debunk autogynephilia in any way?

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CouldntThinkOfClever t1_izo5xok wrote

AGP has been used as an explanation of gender dysphoria. That's what it is at its core. AGP in original theory and how it's been used has been used as an attempt to debunk someone's "transness". If AGP were actually a debunking of transness, then I guess many cis women are actually trans men.

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InevitableStill9391 t1_izo7pwc wrote

>AGP has been used as an explanation of gender dysphoria. That's what it is at its core. AGP in original theory and how it's been used has been used as an attempt to debunk someone's "transness".

I understand that autogynephilia has been used to discredit the validity of "transness" and I think that's nonsense. I believe both exist and are both as valid as each other. But that doesn't discredit the reality of autogynephilia. Just because a group of people feel invalidated by someone else's identity, it doesn't debunk the reality of their identity, does it?

>If AGP were actually a debunking of transness, then I guess many cis women are actually trans men.

And I don't understand how cis women who masturbate to pictures of themselves relates to this at all. If the woman were dressing up as men, taking photos and masturbating to the images of themselves dressed as male then I see how you would include it, but otherwise I don't see the correlation?

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CouldntThinkOfClever t1_izok4ui wrote

Cis women who masturbate to their own image is identical to trans women who masturbate to mental images of their own self as a woman

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InevitableStill9391 t1_izoqd7d wrote

Well yes. If you believe both transgender people and people with autogynephila exist at the same time, then a trans woman who masturbates to pictures of themselves is just a woman masturbating to pictures of themselves and likely just an odd thing people do regardless of whether they are trans or not. The trans woman is not being turned on by the fact they're presenting as a woman, they're likely getting the same satisfaction the cis woman is getting from doing it. No cis woman is looking at themselves and thinking "I look so much like a woman today" and getting off over it, they're obviously getting something else out of it. I assumed we were talking about photos, but it could be that they're getting sexual satisfaction by watching themselves masturbate in the mirror, which may just add some extra sensory gratification to the act for them, which is far more likely and has nothing to do with sex or gender. Someone with autogynephila doing this is being sexually stimulated directly from the fact they are dressed as the opposite gender/imagining themselves as the opposite gender.

But none of this thoroughly debunks autogynephila.

Thanks for the convo anyway, have a good day!

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