goteamnick t1_jabjgn1 wrote
Reply to comment by Armthedillos5 in TIL Thomas Jefferson regularly attended many different churches and declared "I am of a sect by myself" unlike many of the other devoted founding fathers. by skylightyourlife
Such arrogance. The same writers who detailed the moral teachings also detailed the miracles.
xPlasma t1_jabl02u wrote
How is arrogant to derive value from moral teachings without believing in the super natural. No need to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
goteamnick t1_jabnaay wrote
This is like deciding you don't like The Beatles' music, so you throw away the vinyl and declare they were excellent models for album sleeves and nothing more.
Bumwax t1_jabzmab wrote
What's wrong with that? Hell the Sgt Peppers cover is an art peice in and of itself and I would gladly have it on my wall. But I don't fancy their music much.
Dark_Shade_75 t1_jacmhry wrote
Now I'm all for analogies, but comparing the Beatles' music to walking on water is a new one for me.
Also there's nothing wrong with using the moral guide book and only taking the moral lessons from it. That's... the whole point of the book. I'd bet Jesus would love it tbh.
Exoddity t1_jabu9pf wrote
The arrogance and conceit to think nothing is good or wise unless accompanied by the transubstantiation of water to wine or some other such bullshit.
How much does it say about your beliefs that the only thing shackling you to them seems to be its supposed tie to divinity, or fear of some eternal torment?
zebrastarz t1_jacuxms wrote
Actually, this is a fascinating subject, and I think it has to do with the fear of the unknown that most people actually lean on religion to help them with. For those people, religion is probably necessarily supernatural to allow it to give moral prescriptions and provide explanations that the logical mind fails to provide for itself. The low stakes and "reality" of the miracles Jesus was described as performing hit a satisfying middle ground for this type of person, bleeding from reality into the fantastical to create just enough plausibility that the logical brain accepts the unknown as something that can be understood and possibly even used if you just follow the right lessons. For those same people, it is understandable that trying to impart religious morals and teachings without the supernatural aspects is arrogance because it suggests that anyone with logical thinking is capable of overcoming the fear of the unknown and understanding divinity, something that to them is seemingly impossible without instruction coming from an order higher than Man.
Notorious_Junk t1_jac5wwe wrote
What's more arrogant, editing a book or calling yourself the son of god?
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[deleted] t1_jabvk5a wrote
He was the worst kind of influential and intelligent human. A hypocritical influential and intelligent human.
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