Viewing a single comment thread. View all comments

michaelvsaucetookdmt t1_jdowf30 wrote

Reply to comment by Xyrus2000 in TIL, the placenta that forms with a fetus isn't created by the mother. It grows from the fertilized egg and some fetuses actually develop outside the uterus attached to the intestines in the body cavity. by darw1nf1sh

Well youre putting your own little slant on it by saying shit like “voracious parasite.” Literally every placental mammal works this way. People learn about this in school. I don’t want you telling middle schoolers in sex ed this shit just because you think its freaky any more than i want super christians to control sex ed.

−9

Xyrus2000 t1_jdp0kqr wrote

>Well youre putting your own little slant on it by saying shit like “voracious parasite.”

That's not a slant. That is what a fertilized egg is. Have you ever seen the end result of an untreated ectopic pregnancy?

>Literally every placental mammal works this way

Did I say anything different? Pregnancy is parasitic by nature in most mammals. The only thing that prevents a pregnancy from killing the mother is the uterus. The fertilized egg can implant and grow just about anywhere.

>People learn about this in school.

No, they really don't. They get a sugar-coated version, if they get any version at all. Hence the TIL post and the various other medical-related posts by others here describe what can go wrong and WHY we have medical procedures to deal with it.

Or rather, we did until the fanatical religious nut jobs started with their idiotic "life begins at conception" bullsh*t.

> I don’t want you telling middle schoolers in sex ed this shit just because you think its freaky

Freaky? How on Earth did you get that from what I or others have posted? These are medical facts. These are complications that can and do arise during pregnancies, and WHY they arise. These are why medical procedures to deal with them exist, and why they shouldn't be banned by far-right nut jobs.

Teenagers, especially teenage girls, should be educated on this because it can literally be life or death for them, especially if they live in a red state that can deny them treatment.

>any more than i want super christians to control sex ed

There wouldn't be sex education if "super christians" controlled sex education. They just got a principal fired because some kids saw Michelangelo's sculpture.

20

michaelvsaucetookdmt t1_jdpeouk wrote

Bro shut the fuck up lmao. You’re too high on your own supply to realize that you ARE biased.

Yes, the fertilized egg does whatever it can to grow and gain resources. Thats literally all life. You know what I call that? Efficient. A parasite is when ANOTHER SPECIES takes nutrients from its host. It is not a parasite. You’re putting your own little slant on it, using very charged language.

Pregnancy is NOT parasitic by nature. It is reproduction. The animal WANTS to give resources so that it can pass on its genetic information. That is not parasitism, which is an unwanted attack on the host.

I said you think its freaky because of the charged language you use when talking about standard biological facts.

“Voracious parasite” “vampire” “ravenous appetite”

You don’t think those carry any sort of negative connotation? You think you’re just speaking straight facts?

What i meant is i don’t want middle schoolers to hear those things specifically. Sure you said some factual things, but you don’t have to use phrases that carry such negative connotations. Thats far from how a scientist would describe these things.

Teenagers should understand how this works, but they should also not be told that a fertilized egg is a “vampiric parasite that has a ravenous appetite and will kill you if it gets the chance.” Sure, that is a possibility, but those cases are very rare and you don’t have to make it seem so scary.

You can explain that fertilized eggs/fetuses suck nutrients from their mother in the controlled environment that is the uterus. If they exist outside of that controlled environment, they can develop incorrectly and harm the mother. You see how the way i said it and the way you said it are very different?

−1

Xyrus2000 t1_jdpr8zl wrote

>Bro shut the fuck up lmao. You’re too high on your own supply to realize that you ARE biased.

Charged language? What exactly did I say that was incorrect? Have you ever seen what happens with something like an untreated ectopic pregnancy?

How would you describe an organism that will literally siphon every last resource from its host without regard for that host?

>A parasite is when ANOTHER SPECIES takes nutrients from its host.

If the egg somehow escapes the protection provided by the uterus, THEN it effectively becomes a parasite as it will feed, damage, and eventually kill the host.

>Pregnancy is NOT parasitic by nature. That is not parasitism, which is an unwanted attack on the host.

Pretty sure a fertilized egg outside of a uterus is an unwanted attack on the host.

>I said you think its freaky because of the charged language you use when talking about standard biological facts.
>
>“Voracious parasite” “vampire” “ravenous appetite”

How are those inaccurate descriptions? A fertilized egg outside of the uterus acts like a voracious parasite. It literally starts sucking the life out of the mother and will consume everything it can.

>You don’t think those carry any sort of negative connotation? You think you’re just speaking straight facts?

I'm sorry, but I thought we were discussing what happens when pregnancies go wrong. There really aren't a whole lot of positive things to say about ectopic or molar pregnancies. In fact, they're pretty f*cking terrible and you better hope no one you know and care about ever has to experience them, especially if they live in a red state.

You want "straight facts"? Okay. An ectopic pregnancy will put you through an unimaginable amount of pain and suffering and then kill you. Is that better?

>but you don’t have to use phrases that carry such negative connotations.

Would you prefer flowery prose?

>Thats far from how a scientist would describe these things.

Formal descriptions are reserved for scientific journals. When they talk to the general public, they use terms the general public will understand.

>Teenagers should understand how this works, but they should also not be told that a fertilized egg is a “vampiric parasite that has a ravenous appetite and will kill you if it gets the chance.”

That isn't what I said. This is what I said, with the context you chose to leave out:

For example, a fertilized human egg is not some gentle little thing growing peacefully within the uterus. A fertilized human egg is actually an incredibly voracious parasite that will attach itself to whatever it can and, like a vampire, will drain it of every last nutrient.

Hence why women have uteruses protecting them from the egg. With the vast majority of pregnancies, the fact that a fertilized human egg can kill is no more notable than the fact you can die in car crash tomorrow. But the context of the discussion is a TIL on pregnancies going wrong. Not everyone knows that a fertilized human egg is biologically lethal. Not everyone knows that the uterus is what protects the mother from that lethality.

>You can explain that fertilized eggs/fetuses suck nutrients from their mother in the controlled environment that is the uterus. If they exist outside of that controlled environment, they can develop incorrectly and harm the mother. You see how the way i said it and the way you said it are very different?

Yes, you sugarcoated a serious medical condition. One of many related to pregnancies. You also omitted that politicians at both state and national levels are either planning or have already implemented laws that will prevent women from receiving the treatment they would need to deal with these emergencies. That's a pretty big f*cking big omission to make in this country these days.

Either way, have fun waging war on adjectives you don't like.

4