TurkeyDinner547 t1_iuah52u wrote on October 29, 2022 at 8:43 PM

Reply to comment by AlsdousHuxley in TIL Jewish persons could not hold public office in Maryland until 1826 by synonyco

Just keeping within context that all groups have been persecuted or exploited at some point in time. And yes, it should stop. Just tired of modern society constantly being expected to answer for the mistakes of the past and it never seems to stop.

AlsdousHuxley t1_iuakpdb wrote on October 29, 2022 at 9:09 PM

I guess. I would be curious why you think that’s important context to keep this within?

TurkeyDinner547 t1_iuasz3m wrote on October 29, 2022 at 10:10 PM

The phrase "stirring up shit from the past" comes to mind.

AlsdousHuxley t1_iuaw8zo wrote on October 29, 2022 at 10:36 PM

Hmm, that’s what I suspected. I don’t see that as compatible with also acknowledging it should stop.

If you agree historical wrongs are linked to modern society, it becomes are a legacy we need to acknowledge. Not to just feel guilty about, but because addressing then requires a specific understanding of their context. As you’ve acknowledged injustice happens to a bunch of groups, all in their own ways, so we can only address it by understanding specifics.

P.S. I hope my tone doesn’t seem off in anyway - this was just a conversation I’ve been hoping to have

TurkeyDinner547 t1_iuawuh5 wrote on October 29, 2022 at 10:41 PM

I choose to live in the present. But I don't disagree with the concepts you've stated. I've just had enough reminders of things that happened years ago that I had literally nothing to do with. Most of these injustices have been corrected and are no longer an issue.

AlsdousHuxley t1_iuaxn4g wrote on October 29, 2022 at 10:47 PM

It’s not you having caused them, it’s whether or not it matters to you to resolve their consequences - and I see the consequences as related and real. Seems you agree their are consequences and they’re related to their history, I guess the disagreement is you feel the consequences are overblown.

TurkeyDinner547 t1_iub14e2 wrote on October 29, 2022 at 11:14 PM

What consequence do you feel I owe for something that happened in 1826? And how do you plan to extract that from me exactly?

AlsdousHuxley t1_iub1qbm wrote on October 29, 2022 at 11:19 PM

I never said owe, and you bringing up extract seems unnecessarily hostile when I said it’s about whether or not it matters to you.

Now you said it did, so if that’s the case and you’re down to assist voluntarily, I think the relevance is that Jews face the highest per capita hate crime rate and tracing why this did not happen randomly but builds on a pattern of both state sponsored and non-state based discrimination is useful to understanding how we ended up in a place where Jews are focused on disproportionately. And this understanding is important to changing this.

TurkeyDinner547 t1_iub2pl4 wrote on October 29, 2022 at 11:27 PM

That's no longer happening in modern US society. You're acting like something from 200 years ago is still happening today. Isolated incidents will always occur, but that doesn't mean Jews are being systematically or institutionally discriminated against, at least not more than any other group in various settings, even those that are referred to as "majority" don't receive fair treatment in many situations.