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Gemmabeta t1_iuedz61 wrote

Atropine and jimsonweed poison (scopolamine) are bronchodialators and will reduce the production of phlegm.

They will certainly cure asthma, but they'd also cure you from life too.


Brilliant_Jewel1924 t1_iuenov5 wrote

In regulated doses, belladonna is still prescribed for certain heart ailments.


Geek_Nan OP t1_iuet8s8 wrote

Optometrists used to use atropine for eye dilations. And the name “belladonna” means pretty lady in Italian. Women used to take small doses to dilate their eyes because it was considered alluring ….


Gemmabeta t1_iuexarn wrote

Optometrists still use atropine to this day.


Gewt92 t1_iuf84m8 wrote

Atropine is used by medical professionals all the time.


I-goes-to-eleven t1_iug10ht wrote

I use it 4-5 times a week.


Gewt92 t1_iug14hi wrote

I have it on my ambulance but don’t use it that often.


I-goes-to-eleven t1_iug1jrr wrote

I use it regularly for chemical stress echos to get patients to target heart rate along with dobutamine. Occasionally in a code situation.


Gewt92 t1_iug1vui wrote

Why are you using atropine in a code?


I-goes-to-eleven t1_iug2j1b wrote

Severe bradycardia usually. I feel like you should know this if you have access to it.


Gewt92 t1_iug2ozu wrote

Ah you weren’t using code as cardiac arrest.


I-goes-to-eleven t1_iugb8uq wrote

In about 99% of code situations, a mg of epi and an amp of atropine will be given within a minute of beginning compressions in the hospital setting, and will continue to be given to reach stability or until a continuous pressor has been started.


Gewt92 t1_iugi5r3 wrote

No one uses atropine for cardiac arrests here anymore. I haven’t seen it used in a cardiac arrest in years.


I-goes-to-eleven t1_iugoa2u wrote

We give it initially with epi because it helps with secretions and intubation. After that its just epi. By that time pacing pads are in place.


MrTastey t1_iuh5ota wrote

Protocols vary wildly state to state, service to service and probably more so in different countries


Gewt92 t1_iuh6b99 wrote

Giving a shit ton of atropine and Epi for Asystole/PEA isn’t recommended anymore. I know people have different protocols elsewhere but evidence based medicine suggests they shouldn’t.


I-goes-to-eleven t1_iuhecec wrote

ACLS says otherwise. Current standards instruct epi every 3-5 min. Any provider over 40 gives atropine also to start for the reasons I gave above.


NoMalarkyZone t1_iuheo7q wrote

Atropine isn't part of ACLS for any cardiac arrest. Only symptomatic bradycardia.


I-goes-to-eleven t1_iuhpbxw wrote

Epinephrine. See how I linked this to the algorithm? Atropine is for reducing respiratory secretions and also given with initial dose only of epinephrine to sustain a recoverable rhythm at the discretion of the provider. This is how I do it most of the time, unless something tells me it’s unnecessary. And with most of my codes and rapid responses, there is a respiratory component that initial dose of atropine will benefit from. I forgot how many “internet doctors” are on Reddit. I typically do not engage for this very reason. Thanks for reminding me.


NoMalarkyZone t1_iuhpym9 wrote

Maybe most "providers" give atropine to a dead heart but it's not part of ACLS, and most physicians don't.

In fact i don't think I've never seen an ED physician or intensivist give atropine to a pulseless person. There's no evidence of that helping in asystole, or anything other than symptomatic bradycardia - essentially pre-arrest.

Maybe follow the guidelines? It would also help to be less combative with everyone you're talking to.


9Lives_ t1_iug884u wrote

Its also great for pain relief in micro doses, I’ve heard (through anecdotal reports) that opiates will make you ok with the pain whereas this datura derivative will eradicate the pain.


Alexstarfire t1_iuh6r3a wrote

Is it because it falls off? You're supposed to keep the meds inside.


TheoremaEgregium t1_iuh9wrw wrote

Guess it doesn't hurt so much when you do it for a ballroom only lit by candles.


9Lives_ t1_iug7uyk wrote

It’s also used in some ayahuasca brews to prevent nausea and vomiting. It’s also an amazing pain reliever in micro doses.

On the inverse side, if you dose too high there’s a strong probability that you’ll be admitted to the psychiatric hospital. What freaks me out is that the entity’s people encounter are unlike other psychedelics (because datura is a deliriant) in that they are very specific. For example with DMT/shrooms people encounter machine elves which is a pretty blanket term and the entities manifest in different ways depending on the person but with datura it’s so specific and always a woman with black eyes and a pet wolf.


Clid3r t1_iugwly1 wrote

Any written accounts of that?


9Lives_ t1_iuh6vhk wrote



Mediocre-Age-7457 t1_iuhycue wrote

Could you please cite where in the reference? I’ve read the entire article and can’t find anything about a woman and her pet wolf.


Clid3r t1_iuifq1n wrote

I should have been more clear that’s what I wanted to read about too.

People seeing little grey men is one thing… but a woman with black eyes and a wolf is pretty specific and I’d be curious to see if any controlled studies were done without letting the subjects know who/what to expect.


DUNDER_KILL t1_iuj8jff wrote

There definitely aren't any. It's just the kind of thing where given enough sample size, a bunch of people will hallucinate the same thing, talk about it, and think there is a pattern. Then people hear about that and end up hallucinating it as well because they are thinking about it. Most people won't see a woman and a wolf and their experience just won't be noteworthy enough to be discussed


Clid3r t1_iuj9l6t wrote

You never know, it’s why we were both asking.

Be interesting to hear people tried it and had the same experience, continents and decades apart.


Brilliant_Jewel1924 t1_iuhg170 wrote

That’s very fascinating. I’m not sure I’d be willing to take any myself, but it’s interesting that they’ve done this research.


9Lives_ t1_iuhlj7b wrote

It has many routes of administration, from tincture drops to ointments that you can apply locally.


[deleted] t1_iuet6ap wrote

Scopolamine has a number of uses in medicine where it is used in low doses to treat:Postoperative nausea and vomiting. Motion sickness, including sea sickness, leading to its use by scuba divers (where it is often applied as a transdermal patch behind the ear) Gastrointestinal spasms; Renal or biliary spasms

Scopolamine is also used to treat certain stomach or intestinal problems, muscle spasms, and Parkinson-like conditions.


porcelainvacation t1_iufmxp9 wrote

I had to have a lymph node removed from my face for a melanoma biopsy and it was entangled with my salivary gland. I was given scopolamine patches to control the production of saliva while it healed to control the leakage from the gland. They worked really well.


Dockhead t1_iufm4qs wrote

If I remember correctly it’s also an antidote to certain neurotoxins


Geek_Nan OP t1_iueias4 wrote

Isn't scopolamine the Angel's trumpet stuff that makes people highly suggestible? (also motion sickness patches)



Gemmabeta t1_iueipug wrote

It is what they used to use together with morphine (Twilight Sleep) to knock out women giving birth so they'd sleep through the entire process.

But you'd have to be given a pretty high dose to get to that point.


Czexxi t1_iuftrqi wrote

Herbalists still give jimson weed joints to asthma sufferers. A few hits is enough smoke to paralyze the bronchioles to interrupt bronchospasm, but not enough to hurt anyone. Just don't eat it.


[deleted] t1_iughcg9 wrote

Ammonium perchlorate is used in rocket fuel so if potassium perchlorate is anything like it then smoking a cigarette and letting one loose could land the patient on the moon.


DefiantStomp t1_iueem08 wrote

As a 34 year old asthmatic I'd take this over waking up at night thinking I'm already going to die. Keep trying, they said. Die peacefully in your sleep, they said. I'd rather be tripping balls and risking my life. (This is not 100% true. This is an off-the-cuff take and requires more research on my own time before I try this. But $20 is $20...)


9Lives_ t1_iug8fgv wrote

Do you have CRAZY dreams that are indistinguishable from real life when you take it.


irishmickguard t1_iuega68 wrote

We should bring back druggist as a term for pharmacists and/or drug dealers


Theman12457890 t1_iuhhoa0 wrote

I agree. It’s what they are.


fib16 t1_iuhma6x wrote

Almost all drugs are just chemicals. We just choose to legalize some and regulate them and call a handful “recreational”. When really they’re pretty much all the same thing…just some are regulated/controlled/taxed.


Bama_Peach t1_iuefc0t wrote

My dad is almost 70 and suffered from asthma as a child. He’s told me about the treatments that existed for asthma back in the late 50’s/early 60’s. It was rough…


afellowchucker t1_iueley9 wrote

I’m 40 and even some of the advice in the 80s was goofy. I had really bad allergy induced asthma as a kid. I had an albuterol inhaler but my doctor told my parents to not let me use it often and that I should tough it out and play the trumpet to strengthen my lungs. Now I hear from doctors that not treating an attack can lead to scar tissue in your lungs and that you should take your rescue inhaler whenever you need it. I just cringe wondering what my poor lungs might look like


Crafty_Tangerine5511 t1_iuehrsy wrote

I had it as a small child in the 60’s. The only treatment for an attack was a shot of epinephrine/adrenaline in the butt. Seriously. Ever seen a five-year-old on adrenaline? My poor mom.


xJellyfishBrainx t1_iuf2zfm wrote

My mom has the same horror stories. She was in German hospitals in the late 50s/early 60s. Another treatment was high doses of benzos and the like.


shesewsandspeaks t1_iugec3b wrote

My Grandpa had asthma and emphysema. He had his Asthmador powder in a little tin box he kept in the glove box of his pickup. I know several times when I was with him as a little kid he would have an asthma attack and light up the powder in the box to inhale the smoke. I thought it smelled awful but that was Grandpa's medicine.

I was a pretty sheltered kid. First concert I went to without my parents (Bon Jovi, 1989) I was enjoying the show and then smelled something from the row behind. "Someone's got asthma..."

So I think there may have been even more than the above listed ingredients.

Miss you, Grandpa.


trashhampster t1_iuejlhd wrote

I remember watching Outlander and wondering how smoking could ever help with lung issues and now I know. Thanks!


nim_opet t1_iueqomt wrote

Can’t have asthma if you have no lungs!


Second_Location t1_iufv59t wrote

I have had asthma for 40 years and I am SO INCREDIBLY GRATEFUL to whomever invented the albuterol inhaler. Back in the day I took some ineffective oral medication but other than that it was breathing in hot steam from a bowl on the counter and hoping for the best.


hawt_yoga t1_iueuc44 wrote

Sounds like a name for a DnD character


marinemashup t1_iuf7pwa wrote

Salt is made up of 2 toxins. Some of these toxic compounds are still used in modern medicine.


Redditpostperson t1_iufc3ti wrote

Have read trip reports for jimson weed, hell no!


humdawg t1_iufmqk2 wrote

If I was gasping for air and had no alternative, i can't say I wouldn't try it


keelanstuart t1_iuf27rg wrote

If asthma was a genetic condition, this might indeed cure it... after a couple of generations.


SEND_PUNS_PLZ t1_iuf2hoe wrote

That’s about asthma poison as you can get


saucyB52 t1_iufww3r wrote

wasnt belladona put into witches brews to make them fly around on broom sticks

jimson weed, its the devils lettuce


Five-and-Dimer t1_iugkkum wrote

A friend of mine got a hold of this when he was a teen. It really messed him up.


Ugh-dumb t1_iugrigh wrote

You had me at Belladonna


TechnetiumAE t1_iugtsow wrote

Wait you're telling me I get to breathe better, be high as fuck AND die faster? Get me a 1000pk please!


Special_Letter_7134 t1_iuijqz9 wrote

Had asthma as a child and realized as a teen that cigarettes helped me control my breathing. Definitely not a viable treatment though. It's 25 years later and I get winded walking to the corner.


noidea3838 t1_iufvpkd wrote

Trust doctors and scientist


GeoSol t1_iufdx12 wrote

Always, "Trust the Science!"


Theman12457890 t1_iuhhpr7 wrote

Love how you’re being downvoted. Sheeple.


GeoSol t1_iuiqnv3 wrote

I do take pride in the downvotes of sheeple, and laugh at their tears of frustration when i point out things that shatter the narrative.

Sadly it takes more effort to look into the history of the past 100 years, and consider human and institutional motives, than it does to click a down arrow.

Because those thoughts are scary! We must not think or doubt the establishment, and it's narrative.