Submitted by Geek_Nan t3_yhlfzz in todayilearned
As a 34 year old asthmatic I'd take this over waking up at night thinking I'm already going to die. Keep trying, they said. Die peacefully in your sleep, they said. I'd rather be tripping balls and risking my life. (This is not 100% true. This is an off-the-cuff take and requires more research on my own time before I try this. But $20 is $20...)
Life kills ya 100% of the time, thank god they found a cure
My dad is almost 70 and suffered from asthma as a child. He’s told me about the treatments that existed for asthma back in the late 50’s/early 60’s. It was rough…
We should bring back druggist as a term for pharmacists and/or drug dealers
I had it as a small child in the 60’s. The only treatment for an attack was a shot of epinephrine/adrenaline in the butt. Seriously. Ever seen a five-year-old on adrenaline? My poor mom.
Isn't scopolamine the Angel's trumpet stuff that makes people highly suggestible? (also motion sickness patches)
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It is what they used to use together with morphine (Twilight Sleep) to knock out women giving birth so they'd sleep through the entire process.
But you'd have to be given a pretty high dose to get to that point.
I remember watching Outlander and wondering how smoking could ever help with lung issues and now I know. Thanks!
I’m 40 and even some of the advice in the 80s was goofy. I had really bad allergy induced asthma as a kid. I had an albuterol inhaler but my doctor told my parents to not let me use it often and that I should tough it out and play the trumpet to strengthen my lungs. Now I hear from doctors that not treating an attack can lead to scar tissue in your lungs and that you should take your rescue inhaler whenever you need it. I just cringe wondering what my poor lungs might look like
In regulated doses, belladonna is still prescribed for certain heart ailments.
great another reason to hate life
Damn!
Scopolamine has a number of uses in medicine where it is used in low doses to treat:Postoperative nausea and vomiting. Motion sickness, including sea sickness, leading to its use by scuba divers (where it is often applied as a transdermal patch behind the ear) Gastrointestinal spasms; Renal or biliary spasms
Optometrists used to use atropine for eye dilations. And the name “belladonna” means pretty lady in Italian. Women used to take small doses to dilate their eyes because it was considered alluring ….
https://meghanmastersonauthor.com/bad-decisions-history-featuring-belladonna/
Optometrists still use atropine to this day.
If asthma was a genetic condition, this might indeed cure it... after a couple of generations.
That’s about asthma poison as you can get
My mom has the same horror stories. She was in German hospitals in the late 50s/early 60s. Another treatment was high doses of benzos and the like.
Quiet, they'll come for you next.
Salt is made up of 2 toxins. Some of these toxic compounds are still used in modern medicine.
Atropine is used by medical professionals all the time.
I don’t see how those would work, but I guess they did! We’re both still alive!
Have read trip reports for jimson weed, hell no!
Also for diarrhea
If I remember correctly it’s also an antidote to certain neurotoxins
I had to have a lymph node removed from my face for a melanoma biopsy and it was entangled with my salivary gland. I was given scopolamine patches to control the production of saliva while it healed to control the leakage from the gland. They worked really well.
Herbalists still give jimson weed joints to asthma sufferers. A few hits is enough smoke to paralyze the bronchioles to interrupt bronchospasm, but not enough to hurt anyone. Just don't eat it.
I have had asthma for 40 years and I am SO INCREDIBLY GRATEFUL to whomever invented the albuterol inhaler. Back in the day I took some ineffective oral medication but other than that it was breathing in hot steam from a bowl on the counter and hoping for the best.
Trust doctors and scientist
I use it 4-5 times a week.
I have it on my ambulance but don’t use it that often.
I use it regularly for chemical stress echos to get patients to target heart rate along with dobutamine. Occasionally in a code situation.
Why are you using atropine in a code?
Severe bradycardia usually. I feel like you should know this if you have access to it.
Ah you weren’t using code as cardiac arrest.
The mom takes the benzos
Start or stop?
It’s also used in some ayahuasca brews to prevent nausea and vomiting. It’s also an amazing pain reliever in micro doses.
On the inverse side, if you dose too high there’s a strong probability that you’ll be admitted to the psychiatric hospital. What freaks me out is that the entity’s people encounter are unlike other psychedelics (because datura is a deliriant) in that they are very specific. For example with DMT/shrooms people encounter machine elves which is a pretty blanket term and the entities manifest in different ways depending on the person but with datura it’s so specific and always a woman with black eyes and a pet wolf.
I appreciate the practicality of this question.
Its also great for pain relief in micro doses, I’ve heard (through anecdotal reports) that opiates will make you ok with the pain whereas this datura derivative will eradicate the pain.
Yeah. Preventing asthma attacks.
Not if you’re a cat.
Do you have CRAZY dreams that are indistinguishable from real life when you take it.
There were lots of brands with lots of wildly different plants out there. One of the bigger ones Ive read about was the Grimault brand. Cannabis was a common ingredient, as its also a bronchodilator.
https://pointshistory.com/2020/02/18/a-sovereign-remedy-grimault-cos-asthma-cigarette-empire/
Stop,hopefully.
In about 99% of code situations, a mg of epi and an amp of atropine will be given within a minute of beginning compressions in the hospital setting, and will continue to be given to reach stability or until a continuous pressor has been started.
My Grandpa had asthma and emphysema. He had his Asthmador powder in a little tin box he kept in the glove box of his pickup. I know several times when I was with him as a little kid he would have an asthma attack and light up the powder in the box to inhale the smoke. I thought it smelled awful but that was Grandpa's medicine.
I was a pretty sheltered kid. First concert I went to without my parents (Bon Jovi, 1989) I was enjoying the show and then smelled something from the row behind. "Someone's got asthma..."
So I think there may have been even more than the above listed ingredients.
Miss you, Grandpa.
Ammonium perchlorate is used in rocket fuel so if potassium perchlorate is anything like it then smoking a cigarette and letting one loose could land the patient on the moon.
No one uses atropine for cardiac arrests here anymore. I haven’t seen it used in a cardiac arrest in years.
A friend of mine got a hold of this when he was a teen. It really messed him up.
I love this so much!!
We give it initially with epi because it helps with secretions and intubation. After that its just epi. By that time pacing pads are in place.
And Saturday night.
I think I’m feeling a little asthma coming on myself….
Wait you're telling me I get to breathe better, be high as fuck AND die faster? Get me a 1000pk please!
Any written accounts of that?
Also good against werewolves
Protocols vary wildly state to state, service to service and probably more so in different countries
https://emedicine.medscape.com/article/757257-medication#1
Giving a shit ton of atropine and Epi for Asystole/PEA isn’t recommended anymore. I know people have different protocols elsewhere but evidence based medicine suggests they shouldn’t.
Is it because it falls off? You're supposed to keep the meds inside.
Guess it doesn't hurt so much when you do it for a ballroom only lit by candles.
My sister was prescribed belladonna for her headaches.
ACLS says otherwise. Current standards instruct epi every 3-5 min. Any provider over 40 gives atropine also to start for the reasons I gave above.
Current ACLS algorithm current algorithm
Atropine isn't part of ACLS for any cardiac arrest. Only symptomatic bradycardia.
I’d forgotten about that treatment. Did it help?
That’s very fascinating. I’m not sure I’d be willing to take any myself, but it’s interesting that they’ve done this research.
I agree. It’s what they are.
Love how you’re being downvoted. Sheeple.
It has many routes of administration, from tincture drops to ointments that you can apply locally.
Almost all drugs are just chemicals. We just choose to legalize some and regulate them and call a handful “recreational”. When really they’re pretty much all the same thing…just some are regulated/controlled/taxed.
Facts.
Epinephrine. See how I linked this to the algorithm? Atropine is for reducing respiratory secretions and also given with initial dose only of epinephrine to sustain a recoverable rhythm at the discretion of the provider. This is how I do it most of the time, unless something tells me it’s unnecessary. And with most of my codes and rapid responses, there is a respiratory component that initial dose of atropine will benefit from. I forgot how many “internet doctors” are on Reddit. I typically do not engage for this very reason. Thanks for reminding me.
Maybe most "providers" give atropine to a dead heart but it's not part of ACLS, and most physicians don't.
In fact i don't think I've never seen an ED physician or intensivist give atropine to a pulseless person. There's no evidence of that helping in asystole, or anything other than symptomatic bradycardia - essentially pre-arrest.
Maybe follow the guidelines? It would also help to be less combative with everyone you're talking to.
Yeah, the "flying ointment" supposedly contained a bunch of psychoactive but also poisonous ingredients.
Could you please cite where in the reference? I’ve read the entire article and can’t find anything about a woman and her pet wolf.
I should have been more clear that’s what I wanted to read about too.
People seeing little grey men is one thing… but a woman with black eyes and a wolf is pretty specific and I’d be curious to see if any controlled studies were done without letting the subjects know who/what to expect.
Had asthma as a child and realized as a teen that cigarettes helped me control my breathing. Definitely not a viable treatment though. It's 25 years later and I get winded walking to the corner.
I do take pride in the downvotes of sheeple, and laugh at their tears of frustration when i point out things that shatter the narrative.
Sadly it takes more effort to look into the history of the past 100 years, and consider human and institutional motives, than it does to click a down arrow.
Because those thoughts are scary! We must not think or doubt the establishment, and it's narrative.
I’m going to look into this—for research purposes, of course.
There definitely aren't any. It's just the kind of thing where given enough sample size, a bunch of people will hallucinate the same thing, talk about it, and think there is a pattern. Then people hear about that and end up hallucinating it as well because they are thinking about it. Most people won't see a woman and a wolf and their experience just won't be noteworthy enough to be discussed
You never know, it’s why we were both asking.
Be interesting to hear people tried it and had the same experience, continents and decades apart.
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