herbw t1_ivcgi13 wrote
Reply to comment by miasabine in TIL that most non-human primate infants actively use their hands to help themselves out of the birth canal. Human infants do not, but their grip strength is much higher during the hours immediately after they are born. by afeeney
Crowning as a part of delivery, indicating imminent birth, would gross yer out.
miasabine t1_ivf0utb wrote
I’ve seen footage of vaginal births. It’s not so much that it grosses me out, more that it sends me into fully fledged panic attacks. All due respect given to those who go through it, I could never.
herbw t1_ivfwelq wrote
with all due respect, birthing is a reality of billions of years, and billions of events/year. . if you can't handle reality, then there's a problem.
miasabine t1_ivgcrpb wrote
Birthing humans have only been around for a couple hundred thousand years, and something being reality doesn’t preclude it from being a phobia. If that were the case, there would be no phobias. Pregnancy and birth still kills thousands upon thousands of women every single year, and leaves many others with chronic pain, PTSD, and various disabilities. Lastly, and with all the respect you are due, which incidentally is precisely none…
I have no problem handling reality. I knows births happen, I have no difficulty accepting that. I celebrate births when done by people I know, and I find great joy in watching the resulting humans develop and grow into intelligent, capable adults. I personally merely find the prospect of birthing intensely and viscerally unappealing. So I take steps to ensure, to the best of my ability, that it’s a situation I never find myself in, while maintaining the utmost respect and admiration for those who do.
If you think that’s a “problem” in any sense of the word, you’re more than welcome to your opinion. However absurd and pathetic it might be.
herbw t1_ivjpx3c wrote
Wrong there, too, as we as a species have been around for ca. 100K yrs, by the bone evidences. Altho our ancestors have been around for billions of years. Just look at the mitochondria.
Well, we learn to accept the reality of the facts we ALL got here by copulation, or fkn in the parlance, and we get here by being born. Refusal to face truths is ever a serious problem for our species. Because denial --->>> delusions. & ignoring reality. Frankly workin in OB was one of the best times I had in Medicine. Happiest place in the Hospital. New life, new babies. The future or our species just there.
miasabine t1_ivlk7d1 wrote
Every source I’ve read says between 2-300,000 years.
Yes, we all got here through sex and birth. Not once have I disputed that.
herbw t1_ivqid52 wrote
Homo genus, but NOT us, modern man, H. sapiens sapiens. We are not that old. Cro-magnon is older but a close chain, likely big pieces of those in our genomes, too.
herbw t1_ivos3r5 wrote
Fine, then yer cherry picking the data. Violation of the comprensiveness rule. Modern humans are about 100K yrs old, or so. The data in east AFrica bone finds show that, very likely. Our ancestors go back 3 billions years. H. erectus was about that old over 100K to 300K yrs. . but not entirely human.
Our cortical cell columns are better than erectus. Closer to cro-magnon. Nor has human evolution stopped. Our continuing techno capabilities shows that. Follow tools making from the stone age, to present tech. Humans are getting smarter. That's been going on for 100K's of years in us and our ancestors. Our cortical cell columns, where the info processin goes on, are more efficient and more of them than our ancestors, even 10K yrs. ago.
How do our brains create information? Why has THAT question not been widely asked? Answering that deep question shows how, the brain processors create creativities. Where creativity likely comes from in brain. Structure/function general model in biology, and most tech, t00 Here's now it's done.
https://jochesh00..com/2017/05/01/how-physicians-create-new-information/
Please fill in the details on mankind's likely descendancy to a more complete form.
miasabine t1_ivpc3dp wrote
“Approximately 300,000 years ago, the first Homo Sapiens - anatomically modern humans- arose alongside our other Hominid relatives.
“While our ancestors have been around for about 6 million years, the modern form of humans only evolved about 200,000 years ago.”
https://www.universetoday.com/38125/how-long-have-humans-been-on-earth/
“Modern humans originated in Africa within the past 200,000 years”
https://www.yourgenome.org/stories/evolution-of-modern-humans/
So no, I’m not cherry picking data.
The rest of your comment is irrelevant word salad. It has nothing to do with what we were talking about, you’re just talking for the sake of it, and I have no interest in engaging with it.
herbw t1_ivqgh66 wrote
forbes is not an anthropological mag. OK?
Modern humans arose about 100-125K yrs ago in east africa. before that it was H. erectus which is NOT modern man. OK, they are considered in the Homo Genus with modern humans. That's the big error they are committin there.
Homo neanderthalensis would be modern human by their criteria those been extinct for 10K's of years.
It's basic biology. H. sapiens sapiens. Forbes does NOT make the clear use biological definition clear, either
Humans with our high social forms and intellectual characsteristics are about 10-20K yrs old. but as we cannot tell intellectual linguistic prowess but by stone age tools and bones, we estimate the first humans most like us, physically, came about 100-125K yrs ago. Cro-magnan is older than we too, but a side chain as well.
It's anthropology, NOT Forbes business news specialty, either.
miasabine t1_ivqjc4z wrote
Lmao, I love how you’re focusing on Forbes when I’ve literally provided you with THREE other sources that all say 2-300,000 years. And yet you’ve provided ZERO sources. Just get the fuck out, you’re fucking pathetic
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