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I_like_the_titanic OP t1_j2a684j wrote

At the same ceremony a flag recovered from the WTC was also displayed; two flags from two of the darkest days in American history coming together.

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MartyVanB t1_j2a6ji2 wrote

How did the flag survive but the souvenir medallions melted into a single lump? Crazy

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BiBoFieTo t1_j2ackda wrote

Why didn't they just make the space suits out of flag material? The whole tragedy could've been avoided.

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Davotk t1_j2adwhv wrote

3 of the backup oxygen supply were manually turned on after the "explosion" which was really more of a depressurized expulsion and some fire. The ?pilot? also tried maneuvers. Some of the crew therefore were possibly* alert and awake at least (others probably passed out), possibly right until impact with the water, and then instant death.

But it all happened in a few minutes, and mostly they would have been hyper focused on their training and fixing the problem.

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wit21 t1_j2ag2qm wrote

"Two of the darkest days" does not mean "The two darkest days."

They weren't trying to start a pissing contest over which were the top two. Just making a comment about two flags raised at the Olympics 20 years ago.

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Carpe_DMX t1_j2ajlyi wrote

Pointing out hypocrisy AND getting to read your mopey response? Yeah, I do feel better about myself.

And I’d just like to point out “guys” and “yourself” don’t agree in number.

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horsemagicians t1_j2ar86m wrote

So a bunch of metal medallions melted into a single clump but a plastic flag survived completely unscathed. Lmao okay, I call bullshit. Not only that but they found it after months of floating around in the ocean. Can’t find a plane but can find a flag in a bag. Obviously the thing Americans bow down to everyday survived.

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skinte1 t1_j2bjqh4 wrote

Jokes aside the crew likely did survive the "explosion" (In reality the Shuttle was torn apart from aerodynamic forces) since several of the emergency airpacks had been activated manually in the seconds after the shuttle broke apart. The impact with the water at over 200 mph was what killed them.

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LuckoftheAmish t1_j2blzr4 wrote

Hmm. Which is darker? One or two LARPers dying during an unusually disruptive demonstration that most of the country laughed at, or the tragic deaths of a whole team of scientists that millions of people looked up to?

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AliensStoleMuhBrains t1_j2c310b wrote

Find out what that flag is made out of and use that to build new shuttles. You’re welcome NASA

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za419 t1_j2cz706 wrote

I mean, Challenger went down very near the Florida coast, and everyone knew where. It's very easy to find stuff when you know where it is.

Granted, challenger broke up into many pieces, so any individual piece would be in an area, but the point is that's way easier than trying to find "a plane" - If you're referring to MH370 or similar, you're looking in a much less well defined area. The ocean is very big.

And, fireballs and atmospheric breakups are chaotic. Shit happens. A drop of burning fuel here, more air pushing flames away from there. When something breaks up as thoroughly as Challenger did, you'll always find things that have no right being as undamaged as they are, just by statistics - Ridiculously unlikely things are bound to be found once or twice if you look at thousands of examples.

So I don't even know what point you're trying to make, but.... No.

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surfe t1_j2dbdq7 wrote

The shuttle suits should have had built in chutes. The reality is they probably survived all the way down.

During reentry the have helmets and visors on the suit is pressurized, and if they also have oxygen well there is a non-0 chance they could survive. the atmosphere is thin up there. No idea the speeds they have but there are cases of supersonic high altitude planes disintegrating and the pilot survives.

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Sp4c3S4g3 t1_j2fw6gh wrote

As miraculous and more believe then the I.D.'s and blackboxes from the "plane" that seeming left not much else at the Pentagon. Sorry after seeing things like Tiananmen square, the Gulf of Tonkin, the assassination of JFK, the destruction of Nikolas Tesla lab, the fact jet fuel doesn't melt steel but thermite does, I just take anecdotes like this with a grain of salt. Don't trust everything you hear or see, ESPECIALLY from private interest groups like corporations and governing bodies, for the most part they're there for the status quo not the greater good of all.

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