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PM_ME_UR_TESTIMONIES t1_j2709z0 wrote

I’m not the biggest logic fan, but he has a line in his most recent album: “Speak on mental health, the people laughed at me, that's why I tapped out.”

I felt that one in my bones. It sucks when you try to do a good thing and get demolished for it. Glad he’s got this statistic, at least.


draggar t1_j28ox7g wrote

>I’m not the biggest logic fan, but he has a line in his most recent album: “Speak on mental health, the people laughed at me, that's why I tapped out.”

It's what happened to Andrew Luck (retired quarterback for the Colts)- one of the reasons he retired was because he was "mentally worn down" - and people ridiculed him for it.


KarIPilkington t1_j28w13v wrote

Rich sports stars basically aren't allowed to be depressed/anxious in some people's eyes. Such a backwards view to hold.


Bumwax t1_j28zz6g wrote

Or just rich people in general.

Money makes it easy to live with lifes many obligations - rent, loans, mortgages, food, material needs etc etc.

But it doesn't make you happy, not on its own. Money doesn't buy you love (platonic, familial or romantic), perhaps one of the most crucial aspects of mental well being. A lot of people fail to understand that, probably a lot of people who also take the important things like family for granted.

Owning three Ferraris is probably quite cool but if they're just collecting dust in a garage while you sit alone in a dark apartment, how happy are you really?


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EmperorKira t1_j29mmrv wrote

Disagree a little, seems to be particularly rich AND famous people. Fame is just not good for you at all.


Golilizzy t1_j28doo2 wrote

You kno why I didn’t like it? There wasnt actually any heart in it. It was obvious that it was made to try awareness. It wasn’t made with a reason other than for the artists to feel good about themselves doing something to help others. No real pain or passion tied into it. No story as to what drove them to make it.

The “ I want you alive” seem so fake. Like i was seriously depressed at one point because people around me bullying me all the time and I didn’t have anyone at home to speak about it with. What stopped me from actually following through was the thought of my parents pain.

That type of inclusion would have felt raw and real. Instead they kept it super generic. That’s why I think people felt that it was cringy and a way for them to feel better about themselves.

If each had shared a verse of them being on the eve and what drove them back, with the chorus remaining generic, that would have been magnitudes better.

And the Grammy for it felt like the the industry patting itself on the back cuz they did a good thing by doing that. Just get Fake all around.

Could have been done much better imo

A great example of truly sobering and suicide related song is swimming pool by Kendrick. That has his personal true raw material that he ties so perfectly into the subject of addiction and suicide

Of course no Grammy for him for that album. By far deserved album of the year but Grammys are racist af

Still tho, I wanna thank logic for doing it. It clearly helped the world and that’s what matters. My personal opinion on the song doesn’t really matter if it genuinely helped saved lives.

I’m just trying to shed some light on to why there were groups of people who didn’t like it.


Cheeto_Enjoyer_420 t1_j28z8sl wrote

lmao this is dead on the money as to why i dont like logic very much despite him being a very good rapper "technically". or at least logic with that vibe, he does have some good songs.

in particular that "who can relate? WOO" line is just laughably ridiculous and bad

the guy in general is like... reddit personified as a rapper. "we played chess and watched anime while recording this" is randomly thrown in there in one of his album, come on man, have some self awareness


bleunt t1_j28hb7w wrote

I guess I'm pragmatic like that. It's like corporations supporting LGBTQ only once a clear majority of consumers do. Yeah, it's fake as fuck and they would not do it if the issue only had 30% support. But it still has a positive effect. So did this, apparently.

I don't see anything wrong with doing good things because it makes you feel good. That's how humans work. It's beneficial behavior, and such behaviour will be evolutionarily rewarded with dopamine.


BiblioPhil t1_j28yghc wrote

Yeah, I struggle to understand why people get so worked up over the possibility that someone is getting satisfaction from doing good things. Why does it even matter why someone is doing it, as long as the end result is a good in itself?

See also: The hysteria over virtue-signalling. Like, who cares if someone is being smug? Smugness doesn't hurt people like racism or homophobia does.


Lukas_Madrid t1_j28f7oh wrote

Good writeup, basically my thoughts. He's had some cringy ass bars which are like"suicide made me money" or some shit in another song too


Golilizzy t1_j2bb6vd wrote

Thanks. Was worried it was gonna be controversial so wanted to make sure my thoughts were clear and well explained. Appreciate the kind words :)


LuangPrabangisinLaos t1_j28wnhf wrote

>No real pain or passion tied into it

Kind of sick that a project around awareness can be disregarded because the audience can't enjoy a painful connection between the artist and their work. That sentiment is in the same vein as the enjoyment of blood sports.


Mother_Welder_5272 t1_j293ueg wrote

It's not that, it's that pussyfooting around the topic can actually make it worse IMO. The root causes of our mental health epidemic is the way we structure society and the economy. There are fundamental ways that we've set up the world (and everyday things like jobs) that do not jive with our biology or ecology. The solution is systemic change.

Corporations and virtue signaling celebrities have found a comfortable middle ground where they can put the onus on the individual and shirk any need for collective change. "Don't be afraid to speak" or "Take care of yourself, nobody wants to see you go" or "we need to stop the stigma". These are meaningless phrases that do nothing to address the epidemic. It neuters any attempt to get to the issue at it's heart, because the agreed upon solution is now "just get some health insurance and pay hundreds for a therapist, or tens of thousands for inpatient care! The system works great!" That is the spectrum of options we're given when everyone just parrots the accepted "take care of yourself" line.

When you actually suggest systemic solutions, or talk truly honestly about your struggles and what would solve them, all of a sudden people can't make eye contact and they change the conversation real quick.


LuangPrabangisinLaos t1_j2asrfx wrote

>The root causes of our mental health epidemic is the way we structure society and the economy.

I think the root cause of our mental health epidemic is mental illness.


chaotic_world t1_j28fcu2 wrote

What I've heard of Logic, I mostly like, but I agree that it lacked any sense of true emotion. Joyner Lucas did it better with "I'm Sorry" IMO... the song and video seemed like he understood the feeling of despair.


donkey2471 t1_j28rco9 wrote

That's because Logic is rumoured to of stolen the idea of titling the track with the number. Joyner claims he was going to title his album with it and told Logic who then named a song it.


locojt t1_j28tz24 wrote

You got any more info on that?


donkey2471 t1_j28v0qe wrote This is the video i got it from, watched it years ago so might be a little different


locojt t1_j293nmv wrote

Crazy video cuz they have done songs together since this interview!


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locojt t1_j29ixb9 wrote

Joe Budden told Joyner in the interview that was linked that he basically had no right to be mad at logic and his manager that he shouldn't have been sharing the shit he was working on with them in the first place, cuz that's the business they are in.


Hobbs512 t1_j28yjff wrote

Yeah virtue signaling that has a positive impact on society is still a good thing. We always act selfishly when trying to help others, because it makes us feel better about ourselves, or we know we'd feel guilty if we didn't do it. But it's still a good thing.

I just wonder how many of those calls were just non-suicidal people either ignorantly, or curiously, calling the number and took up room that ppl who really need it could've used. But i doubt that represents the majority of the additional calls.


DJJohnson49 t1_j29lvfr wrote

I agree that Kendrick should have won a grammy, but just fyi 1-800 did not win a grammy, it was nominated.


BFB_HipHop t1_j2b2d0i wrote

I never thought of Swimming Pools as a suicide related song, I actually thought the song you were referring to was U when I read the first half of the sentence.


Golilizzy t1_j2ba9oc wrote

It’s the concept of drinking yourself to death due to your mental problems. That’s why I personally classify it as a suicide song but I like your choice as well.