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wegqg t1_j21a51k wrote

Lol wait till you hear about the little mermaid.

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Muzzy637 t1_j21ld8v wrote

Sleeping beauty. The prince raped her.

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Klin24 t1_j229pzy wrote

Cinderella, stepmother cuts the big toe off of one the step sisters feet to get the slipper to fit.

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schleppylundo t1_j22azos wrote

That’s technically a later development added by the Grimms to make it more appealing to the violence-hungry children of the time. Disney’s movie in fact draws from an older version, though they also added plenty to make it more appealing to that generation of children.

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ypsm t1_j22lgzb wrote

Etc. I sometimes tell my friends that if Disney ever made Romeo & Juliet, they’d make the title characters live happily ever after.

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Matter_Infinite t1_j244vqd wrote

>I sometimes tell my friends that if Disney ever made Romeo & Juliet, they’d make the title characters live happily ever after.

Not sure if you're setting people up to explain this, but

they did: The Lion King 2: Simba's Pride was based on R&J to keep with the Shakespeare theme since Lion King 1 was based on Hamlet.

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ypsm t1_j24hpon wrote

No, I honestly didn’t know that, so thanks for the explanation! (I haven’t watched the straight-to-video sequels, though I hear Lion King 2 is pretty good.)

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Matter_Infinite t1_j296u5c wrote

You should keep telling that to your friends. If they disagree, you can clobber them with truth (hopefully in front of other good friends).

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original_ninjapigeon t1_j25eprw wrote

Man, just to add to the tragic childhood stories- how many of you know the original Peter Pan where Tinkerbell actually dies? there's a scene where they expected the audience to applaud to help her resurrect. Applaud. Tinker bell's. Death.

and some kids shows are considered harsh these days?

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WeirdLadyAlert t1_j26kx0m wrote

Ooohhhhhhh!!! I see it now!

And The Lion King 2 is so good. When Kovu gets banished and they start singing "deception, disgrace..." it hits me right in the feels.

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Matter_Infinite t1_j297s6w wrote

Every Disney movie since Little Mermaid or Beauty and the Beast has at least one song that gets me. I haven't seen any Disney movies older than those two.

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KagomeChan t1_j2846uu wrote

That was what came to my mind.

I do love that movie, though… Soundtrack is dope.

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Arthamel t1_j237ezl wrote

After cinderella is queen, she kills stepsisters, makes soup out of them and gives it to stepmother. She notices only after eating it whole and seeing bones at bottom of cauldron.

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95DarkFireII t1_j23q2ax wrote

That is still the original version told to children in Germany.

First sister cuts of a toe, second sister cuts of her heel.

Both are found out because the shoe starts leaking blood.

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palparepa t1_j261nix wrote

I've read one version like this, in which the dumb prince only realizes when a bird tells him so.

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supagirl277 t1_j2354rt wrote

Also gave birth to twins in the wild once she finally woke up again

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EmperorG t1_j23ayht wrote

Correction, it was the babies being born and sucking the prick out of her finger (cause they were looking for a teat to suck on) that revived her. Imagine passing out at a loom one day and then waking up in the middle of nowhere covered in blood (from the birth) and freshly birthed babies crawling all over you. Poor girl got a raw deal.

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supagirl277 t1_j259s6w wrote

Yeah they sucked out a piece of flax apparently? I mean to say that she had given birth while asleep and woke up to twins

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fotorobot t1_j22b2ix wrote

Which is a overly-happy ending because she gains a human soul. It spends like a sentence about her turning to foam, and the whole last paragraph about what she gained from her decision.

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wegqg t1_j22jzv2 wrote

Dude she dies, the foam part is just there to help you with the trauma.

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fotorobot t1_j23q6l6 wrote

I get the feeling that most redditors only know the synopsis, without having read the actual story. Yes, technically she does die, but tone of what happens in a story is just as important as the actual details. And the tone of the last part is anything but traumatic.

> The sun rose above the waves, and his warm rays fell on the cold foam of the little mermaid, who did not feel as if she were dying. She saw the bright sun, and all around her floated hundreds of transparent beautiful beings; she could see through them the white sails of the ship, and the red clouds in the sky; their speech was melodious, but too ethereal to be heard by mortal ears, as they were also unseen by mortal eyes. The little mermaid perceived that she had a body like theirs, and that she continued to rise higher and higher out of the foam. “Where am I?” asked she, and her voice sounded ethereal, as the voice of those who were with her; no earthly music could imitate it. “Among the daughters of the air,” answered one of them. “A mermaid has not an immortal soul, nor can she obtain one unless she wins the love of a human being.

And then like 3 more paragraphs about them getting an immortal soul.

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wegqg t1_j23tgrt wrote

She dies, what is there to misunderstand, it's not a happy ending dude it's just that she gets to die in the same way that humans die. IF you actually read it as a child then the ending is, unless you're deeply religious, extremely sad.

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fotorobot t1_j23zn2y wrote

It's a little sad, but not "extremely sad"- and then gets spun to sound happy again. It's a children's book that many children still read. I am not deeply religious, but you don't need to be religious to believe in fictional existence of souls in a fictional world.

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justpayin t1_j21am3m wrote

Not the little mermaid!!

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BrokenEye3 t1_j229620 wrote

Yup. The Sea Witch grusomely cuts the Little Mermaid's tail in half to give her "legs", but the Prince (there are few, if any named characters in the original) falls for someone else so she decides to murder him, but she can't go through with and commits suicide instead, and the narrator decides this would be the perfect time to remind us that dead mermaids can't go to Heaven because they're abominations and have no souls.

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justpayin t1_j22ausp wrote

Omg no

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BrokenEye3 t1_j22bilr wrote

Later editions have her somehow transforming into an air sprite instead of dying so that she can earn a soul through good deeds (people complained)

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FartOfGenius t1_j22cktu wrote

Which is the earlier edition you're referring to? Andersen's version already has her gaining a soul, I'd like to see earlier versions of the tale

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foul_dwimmerlaik t1_j22dbrk wrote

If you look at the handwritten drafts, it’s very clear that the part about her becoming a spirit of the air who can earn a soul was tacked on at the last minute.

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wegqg t1_j234tto wrote

Yeah another guy fell for it hook line and sinker, guess he will need therapy now

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ZanyDelaney t1_j21y34e wrote

I read the original Italian language stories in my Italian language class. It was a serial with short instalments, filled with crazy surreal moments. Pinocchio dies at the end but the popularity led to him being brought back to life for more instalments. The later set of instalments are longer.

The nose growing bit only appears a few times. It is caused by lying in some cases but also occurs spontaneously at other times. At one point woodpeckers arrive to chip the nose back to normal size.

Le avventure di Pinocchio di Carlo Collodi

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nuclearswan t1_j22b5sf wrote

Great book. Lots of humor and satire of politics of the time.

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otto280z t1_j23xwz6 wrote

Tjis has enlightened me on something I only think about every few years but always mean to investigate. Ive read Pinocchio, but I always hear conflicting information about it that doesn't match what I remember. If I recall, he gets executed pretty early on in the story but goes on to be brought back by the blue fairy. So the Pinocchio story I knew is a collection of short stories, and thats why there are differences between the order of events. Thanks!

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ZanyDelaney t1_j258dzn wrote

Yes I seem recall many instalments end on a cliff-hanger that seems impossible to get out of. The next instalment then quickly resolves that with a magical Deus ex Machina and we're off on a new adventure.

I do recall one especially disturbing segment where Pinocchio and his friend Lucignolo are turned into donkeys, separated, and sent to work doing different strenuous jobs. Pinocchio's owner tries to drown him to make his hide into a drum but Pinocchio emerges from the water and announces the fish ate away all the donkey parts. Pinocchio meets Lucignolo again later. Lucignolo is dying of exhaustion and Pinocchio takes on his work until Lucignolo dies.

I've seen clips from movies including the 2002 Roberto Benigni film (which Italians don't seem to hate as much as Americans) and it was obvious from just the clips that many moments from the original stories are simplified or even skipped entirely in adaptations.

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suzukigun4life t1_j21bcai wrote

>Early in the project, in fact, Disney became so frustrated with Collodi’s story that he halted production. It was unsuitable for children, Disney concluded.

I mean, yeah.

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fotorobot t1_j22be6z wrote

He behaved badly, but he wasn't hung for his bad behaviour. He was hung by the fox and cat because they are dangerous criminals. And the cricket didn't have a name.

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Lysergial t1_j21bmns wrote

There are a lot of these old stories that originally were very dark but got Disneyed by Disney or others

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FinishFew1701 t1_j2535ne wrote

Might I point out that Fairy Tales are no walk-in-the-park either. We all know that "Ring around the Roses" is about deaths stemming from the Bubonic Plague. Other examples are Three Blind Mice (executed bishops who refused to bow, essentially), Marry Mary Quite Contrary (Religious war brought by royalty), London Bridge (Brits attacked by the Norse and human sacrifice), Rub a dub dub (about peeping toms- it originated as 3 women in a tub), This Old Man (Brits disgusted at the Irish during the Potato Famine. Paddy whack? Yup. Not a nice term). It goes on and on. So, hail King Disney for his ability to bring light to these really dark, then-current events. I mean, he (Walter Elias Disney) was kind of an outlier himself, but he could draw...

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OddEpisode t1_j21vrk3 wrote

> Collodi’s moral is that you if you behave badly and do not obey adults, you will be bound, tortured, and killed

Makes sense that in the 19th century an adult having BTK fantasies about children would be celebrated.

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wednesdayskillsme t1_j232nee wrote

The moral would be to get smart, not to obey adults. It is often showed in Pinocchio that adults are a thing to be aware of, a real and frequently met danger.

It's also shown how Pinocchio gets gradually smarter and start to think for himself, from believing the Fox and the Cat (the thing that led to his hanging) to learning to lie to the judge and tell him what he wants to hear.

Collodi wrote a cautionary tale for the poor masses of Italy and the message was to emancipate trough studying and rational thinking, or suffer the same fate Pinocchio suffered, that is to be dragged around by anyone with a little power, or to be robbed and swindled, reduced to an indentured servant.

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Charlesfreck550 t1_j22rglo wrote

It's still true is some circles. Gangs, for example take on over whole communities, and have their very own rules, and will execute whole families for not adhering to the rules.

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Landlubber77 t1_j21jpj0 wrote

> A passage wherein a prostitute sat on Pinocchio's face and implored him to "lie to me, lie to me!" was especially divergent from the story modern audiences would come to know.

We need an adaptation of the original and I mean fucking immediately.

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insertusernamehere51 t1_j21suaw wrote

I read the original book.. thats not a thing

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Landlubber77 t1_j21t19p wrote

You're kidding.

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insertusernamehere51 t1_j21tgrf wrote

I have also now read the article and it doesn't say anything of the sort. Did you just make up something and then reacted to it? lol

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Landlubber77 t1_j21v4lm wrote

We may never know.

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psymunn t1_j22y0wl wrote

Well I'm not prepared to read the original article so I'm out of ideas...

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[deleted] t1_j221bzi wrote

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insertusernamehere51 t1_j224zxn wrote

Nope, not a thing from the original book. You may have read a parody or mixed it up with one of the many, many memes and comics that have this joke

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bd_one t1_j21jxra wrote

Oh shit, were those dumb memes historically accurate?

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Ryan7456 t1_j23dxht wrote

No, this dumb commenter isn't historically accutate

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Sticky_Cheetos t1_j21zdds wrote

This is an old porn magazine cartoon lol just unlocked a memory of finding my dads stash as a nosy kid

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momoryah t1_j21vgem wrote

The blue fairy was also the keeper of the house of death. Cool times

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anonymous6789855433 t1_j21tz10 wrote

honestly though, remaking these movies into the much darker adult-themed stories they started as would be genius

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SecretDracula t1_j22sfws wrote

I wonder if any of the 3 Pinocchio movies that came out this year did that.

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three9 t1_j239an3 wrote

Why does Hollywood think the public has this insatiable appetite for Pinocchio all of the sudden? Did the marketing algorithm just completely glitch out and they just went with it?

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HeartfulKitty t1_j23cde7 wrote

Disney was doing it as yet another remake in their long list of remakes, while Guillermo Del Toro made his more mature stop-motion one because it was a passion project of his that he's been wanting to make for a decade. I assume the third one was just trying to bite off some attention from the sudden influx of Pinocchio adaptations.

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FinishFew1701 t1_j255u92 wrote

Studies have shown that, like those who inspired the telling of fairy tales (or what we think of as modern day FT), zombies are the fairy tale of our times and they are linked to our collective consciousness and our frailties and insecurities of our world. Themes that we are used to simply resurface and somehow, to us, this is something makers of media think we consistently need to see. Is it commentary on our current events?

[zombie$]https://www.burlingtoncountytimes.com/story/lifestyle/2017/07/06/a-look-at-pop-culture/17647818007

Zzzombies

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KnudsonRegime t1_j220y7v wrote

Jiminy Cricket had it coming.

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fucktheroses t1_j22hot0 wrote

Even the disney version of Pinocchio scared the shit out of me as a kid. Those donkey boys are scary!

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Bloodcloud079 t1_j241jkv wrote

That Del Toro version though… it’ll scar you as an adult!

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KagomeChan t1_j284iul wrote

Yeah I remember wanting nothing to do with Pleasure Island

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fettermans_goiter t1_j21pzpr wrote

Can you imagine how dark a children’s story had to be in 1881, that the publisher was like “you gotta rewrite some of the fucked up parts”

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freelovew1 t1_j21bawl wrote

Happy to have a copy of original. Think it was Carlo Collodi

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MahLilThrowaway t1_j21vmz5 wrote

So he did have strings on him in the end..

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ninjas_in_my_pants t1_j223k4l wrote

But not to hold him down…

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Krasker t1_j22geg4 wrote

Never made sense to me. What kind of puppet is bound down by their strings? The strings always lift them up. Perhaps Pinocchio believed himself to be a balloon instead of a puppet?

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HaikuBotStalksMe t1_j23taxw wrote

I think they meant hold down as in like how a leash tied to a tree holds you in place. So down is not right, I agree, but probably meant like you receive self locomotion as a marionette - but the strings keep you in place.

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FinishFew1701 t1_j258hwy wrote

He is a marionette. And for reference, I'm a Lamborghini.

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calebmke t1_j22k4tk wrote

In the very first version, yes. But shortly after new chapters changes the story. He was now hung by some bandits, but he’s a living wooden doll, he doesn’t exactly need to breathe. So he just hangs around for awhile, then escapes. In the end he finds Geppeto after a long journey, Pinocchio finally learns to stop being such an ungrateful little prick, and they live happily as father and son.

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notluciferforreal t1_j226svl wrote

Rammstein showed the true story of Snow White.

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JollyGreenGiraffe t1_j240jwe wrote

To this day I wonder who really supported them. They were laughed out of Germany in the 00s is all I remember.

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notluciferforreal t1_j241skk wrote

What? Did you see one of their latest concerts? And it's weird to say that when even the last 2 albums went no 1 in Germany.

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JollyGreenGiraffe t1_j241v9b wrote

Rammstein is a laugh brah.

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SchillMcGuffin t1_j21t2vc wrote

>In this way Pinocchio resembles not the fairy tales of, say, Hans Christian Andersoen, in which good horrifying things happen to good children,

Fixed it for him.

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SSSS_car_go t1_j225252 wrote

My mom gave that to my son when he was 8 or 9 so he would learn the “real” story and not the Disney version. I read it aloud to him, but I had to keep reading ahead then rewording around or skipping over the really scary parts. It is definitely not a children’s book.

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Unintelligent_Lemon t1_j25kae1 wrote

I read it for the first time around 8 or 9. Never bothered me. I plan on reading it to my kids

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estherstein t1_j21dmh8 wrote

My favorite is the bunnies with the little coffin.

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BrokenEye3 t1_j227w74 wrote

Even the Disney version ain't exactly sunshine and rainbows.

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Tacarub t1_j23eo4t wrote

Try reading original grimm brothers children tales . They are straight up horror stories ..

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cybercat5555 t1_j24deco wrote

The funny thing is the Brothers Grimms actually toned down some of the stories to be better presentable. My favourite has to the be the original Little Red Riding Hood "classification". Basically the wolf asks Red if she wants to go down the "path of needles or path of pins", then while she's distracted by the needles (which is said to represent her maturity, vs the pins which is said to mark immaturity), the wolf rushes to the grandmother's house, kills her, collects her blood in a wine glass/wine bottle, then prepares her flesh (variants include just slicing it, but some cases he makes it into meatballs or sausage), then once Red comes, the wolf tells her to have dinner (which is ofc her grandmother), a cat and a bird try to warn her what the "dinner" is, but the wolf tells her to ignore them, then to take off her clothes, throw them in the fire, and told her to get in bed with him, when he then "lept on her", devoured her and then the story ended. Its very obviously about avoiding suspicious men as you enter young adulthood.

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council2022 t1_j24rwiv wrote

Sounds awesome. That version needs to be a film.

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FinishFew1701 t1_j2589w8 wrote

Oof. Today's environment could not handle it. It'd be canceled from the jump. Unless it was presented in a girlpower/all-men-are-bad theme. Maybe change the ending to have her actually be the "wolf" that lured the wolf. Having her die, in bed, to the wolf, in such a way, would make it a social target. It would feature "Trigger warnings."

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drygnfyre t1_j23olt3 wrote

Almost all the fairy tales you've seen on screen are the "Disney'd" versions that are much more upbeat and happier than the original versions (or the various adaptations).

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brianishere2 t1_j21j1ji wrote

I like the New Testament version, with a happy ending.

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MrOvertson t1_j21rrrx wrote

Is there even any original tale that isn't just savage af

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sy029 t1_j22e6pp wrote

>Early in the project, in fact, Disney became so frustrated with Collodi’s story that he halted production. It was unsuitable for children, Disney concluded

Shouldn't this have been something they looked into before greenlighting the project?

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JesseCuster40 t1_j235auz wrote

How does hanging a wooden puppet work? Burning, maybe.

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CornflakeofDoom t1_j24uun5 wrote

In the book, he did end up burning his feet off after holding them too close to the fire. Then he proceeded to cry and whine until Geppetto carves him new ones. I loved that book. Read it constantly

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Unintelligent_Lemon t1_j25k1zc wrote

I have a beautiful copy of the book with gorgeous illustrations. I love Pinocchio ❤️

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ashgallows t1_j23rw7s wrote

had a russian boss who said that the soviets had their own version where he defeated an evil circus ringmaster and used his key to unlock a door to glorious communist society.

she said she had no idea that it wasn't the original version after she moved to the states.

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Test_After t1_j23yr9o wrote

I came to the conclusion Collodi was the kind of person that woke up by some roadside with a sore head and empty pockets, so wrote another chapter of that puppet-boy thing as fast as he could, so he could get an advance from the newspaper that published it, drank said advance late ito the night, woke up by the roadside with a sore head.

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Ok_Concentrate_75 t1_j23zajr wrote

It's funny how, atleast in the USA, due to films we only see these as one offs but looking at comments he is a whole series...reminds me of Alice and wonderland and wizard of oz...back then they took the best story/origin and did a one off

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council2022 t1_j24rncy wrote

Wizard of Oz book has a whole nother movie in there

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revtim t1_j24hmih wrote

When I was very young my Dad gave me an English translation of the original Pinocchio, and I was *not* expecting him to murder the cricket. It was a bit disturbing.

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TeasGhost t1_j228kf4 wrote

Fun fact he was supposed to be burned and die but they made the writer continue it

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KagomeChan t1_j2858wa wrote

That’s like Ian in the Jurassic Park books

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Leandrys t1_j22rtbg wrote

Pinocchio : Retribution

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JamieAubrey t1_j22u50b wrote

!remind me when Pinocchio goes into public domain

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CurrentlyLucid t1_j2421s9 wrote

I read a hard cover edition as a kid, it was a big book. The full story never makes it to the movies.

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jippyzippylippy t1_j243w26 wrote

Hmm, very different from the sanitized Disney version.

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Zonerdrone t1_j2454m7 wrote

Omg, and I thought the Disney version traumatized me...

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Thighbleman t1_j25080b wrote

I(30yo from Poland) regularly see those "the original was f.... up" posts about classic fairy tales. Everytime I'm like... oh yea, I remember it... or how the tale works without that part? This time its 1st option... i think i even remember part that describes the fogging vision... i grew up mostly ok though

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SaintGalentine t1_j251tl4 wrote

I wish the Del Toro version would have included hanging

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Unintelligent_Lemon t1_j25j57i wrote

Love Pinocchio! Favorite book as a child. Pinocchio also gets turned into a donkey and forced to perform at a circus until he hurts his leg and becomes lame. Then he's sold go a guy who wants to use his hide for a drum and drowns him in the sea!

Lampwick also shows up at the end (as a donkey) and dies.

Honestly the book reads more whimsical than dark. Lots of random shit happens. It's bonkers. Snake with a fire tail Pinocchio being forced to live as a guard dog That time Pinocchio tries to Crack an egg to cook and eat and a chick flies out. The talking cricket that Pinocchio kills comes back twice. Once as a ghost and the other time as a doctor.

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Contact-1nk t1_j2cehal wrote

I first read an illustrated book with this version of the story, I still remember the image of the puppet hanging from a dead tree

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BigWetHole t1_j21aqgi wrote

So meatcanyons cartoon is based

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