Submitted by Ok_Copy5217 t3_zvhcs1 in todayilearned
Wow, that's a lot more than I would have expected.
Keep that in mind when people say "well why didn't the Jews just leave Germany before the Holocaust?"
Countries are notoriously reticent about refugees. The US viewed refugees as security risk’s and turned away Jewish refugees routinely. The most infamous was the German Liner St Louis with 900 Jewish refugees fleeing Nazi Germany. Ultimately they were refused asylum in America and Canada and returned to Europe where Britain, France, and other countries gave them asylum. Unfortunately 254 died in the Holocaust.
What happened to them is a tragedy. As a Canadian I'm truly ashamed.
Just wait till you find out what Canada did to native Americans
That’s why religion shouldn’t be mixing with politics.
The Catholic Church dominated part of the Country and they did horrors to “save” people. They also did terrible things to French Canadian orphans. Putting some children with for exemple, only a stutter into Asylums, not giving them any education or good care, just because the Government was given them more money for taking care of them.
The others were on the same type of orphanage as the natives. Physical abuse, starvation, sexual abuse… all in the name of God.
My Uncle was in one of these orphanage and they were practically starved. And lots of them were sexually abused by these monsters. He said to me that he was lucky to be an ugly child. (He got 20K as an apology)
When I see what the religious right is doing in the US about abortion, I’m terrified to what will became of all those unwanted children. (Because we all know that rich people will continue to have abortions)
They won’t all get adopted that’s for sure. Will we see those huge Orphanage come back?
Native Canadians.
What happened
Read the comment above mine.
It was even worse than that. Some of the Jews settled in Germany were citizens of other countries (Poland, Lithuania etc.), which were nevertheless anti-Semitic enough to either deny them passports outright or at least tarry when issuing them. So even if you wanted to move out of Germany, you would lack the necessary papers to cross the border.
During the biggest crisis of this type, Poland refused to accept many thousands of its own citizens expelled by Germany, who were forced to stay in no-man's land at the border for months.
A lot of Country didn't want Jewish people. Even the US had quotas. " In 1938, more than 300,000 Germans —mostly Jewish refugees —had applied for U.S. visas (entry permits). A little over 20,000 applications were approved." Source
There was an entire conference where no one accepted to take Jewish refugees on 1938.
Waiting until 1938 to leave was probably a lot more expensive than leaving in, say, 1933. It didn't cost $300K to travel abroad back then. It probably involved smuggling and/or bribery, and may have been determined based on his ability to pay. It says in the article friends were urging him to leave earlier and he didn't heed them until it was almost too late.
IIRC Germany tried taxing (well, seizing the property of) fleeing rich Jews to fund the deportation of poorer Jews. This isn't an attempt at whitewashing Nazi Germany, it was the most practical solution at the time for getting rid of the most Jews. However so few countries accepted them, or rather many countries that did were soon to be invaded and annexed anyway, that..."evacuation" to the East was the second solution, followed by...well. We all know what they picked next...
You wouldn't believe what people are willing to pay when they're fleeing certain doom
Yea but most of us not only don't have that kind of money but couldn't even get that amount in a loan.
If I sold everything I had maxed out my credit cards and made applications for a few more I doubt I'd have 100k.
That's why most people died.
The Holocaust was bad.
Hot take.
You joke, but holocaust deniers have been a staple of discussion in a bunch of places, and still wine and dine with former (or sometimes current!) heads of state now
You know what, I was on the fence but you've convinced me.
Luckily we don’t have to escape the gestapo.
…yet
Don't they call themselves proud boys now?
Yeah except the proud boys are not nearly as bad. Like not even remotely close.
They have way less state-invested authority for sure. Not no authority (their buddies in police forces frequently let them get away with or condone shit like the intimidation and violence which the proud boys frequently engage in). The could develop into full blown deputized brown shirts pretty easily and quickly. But most branches of law enforcement in the u.s. and Canada already have secret police, and given the key part that police have played and are playing in the current fascist upsurge, I doubt they would require or allow the Proud Boys to encroach on their turf by becoming like the Gestapo.
Texas is creating a register of transgendered people. Lists are easy to expand…
Freud had plenty supporters ready to crowdfund his escape.
imagine how much crowdfunding Freud would have raised and more lives saved if his supporters made a Freud Gofundme
It’s disgusting what people will charge to save people from certain doom.
What they will charge risking super torture and certain doom if they are caught…
Hitler was bad.
You're feeling certain death from death camps and eminent war. It's not surprising aomeone will take advantage and make a shit ton of money from desperate people. You should see how much people smugglers make even today.
It isn’t even taking advantage of it, they are taking a massive risk with their own lives. If a SINGLE person you helped gets caught you and your family are mega super dead now.
Most refugees leave their entire lives behind.....including entire companies, homes, etc...
For 44,5k RM Hitlers Mercedes Benz convertible W150 was one of the most expensive cars in 1939
That's a lot
Man, that's about the cost of a crack shack in Seattle.
Wow. The stuff that dreams are made of.
It is absolutely unbelievable what people had to do during that time
...and have to do again today. The historical situation isn't identical (how could it?), but back then and now, people are scrambling to flee nations they can no longer feel safe in.
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No he means people who are actually being persecuted and killed like Russians who oppose putin or gay people in the Middle East
This.
What'd they say?
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Seriously?
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wat
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Still people doing things like this 🇺🇦
Right? Cold soup for 12 hours?!
Excuse me sir, there's a glass dish in this cobbler.
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I have a friend whose family wasn't so lucky. His mother as a child lived in Vienna with her siblings and parents. They made it as far as Spain before all but his mother were sent back.
His mother was able to make it to the U.S. none of her family survived.
Jesus, but how did she make it if she was sent back to Austria?
They are saying she was the only one who wasn’t sent back by Spain
Sorry I misread
No problem!
Sigmund Freud Died: September 23, 1939, Hampstead, London, United Kingdom.............well fuck!
You can visit the Freud Museum in London to learn more about his legacy and professional network there
Why didnt you get downvotes too, wtf?!
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I was secretly laughing when i read this post; didn't make it too far!
Edit: Whoa there armchair breadtubers! Can't someone enjoy the irony here? Isn't that half the fun of history, if we are honest? Smoke a bowl and fidget spin a minute; I'm not rooting for the Nazi's.
He got far enough to be safe from persecution, as did his wife, children and grandchildren. He died from cancer, at 83 y.o.
Also: you're an ass.
Why? Because i know irony in history is occasionally funny? Isn't this the meme place where we post funny memes of old dead dudes ALL THE TIME?
Was Freud your fuck buddy or something? Sorry for your loss yo
Wow. Dude, you have problems. At least his family got out.
F*** it, f*** freud and f*** his family. You fucking morons are fucking morons; irony is funny to me, sorry you are so dumb you interpret that as hate or nazi simping, wish i could help you but you are clearly gone.
Why? Like even if you completely disagree with what he says afaik he wasn't exactly a horrible person (idk if he was good either but anyways) but even then horrible people don't really deserve that
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would you consider Freud a moral man/philosopher?
I haven't read up much on him but even if he was a bad person you'd have to be a real piece of shit to deserve getting thrown out of your country under the threat of being killed, but even then I don't really see celebrating someone's suffering as a great thing
I don't think you know what you see
Because it is ironic for someone to pay exorbitant fees to guarantee saftey and then die less than a year later, and i knew his death date before this post.
Y'all that cynical that you took this as Nazi simping or...? WTF ever, your validation to my life means nothing
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Except you literally are rooting for the Nazis. Maybe rethink your life choices
Maybe take some courses in logic, because your reasoning is fallacious
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Horrible thing to say to somebody.
Half my relatives didn't make it out
I am sorry to hear that. Family means everything.
Dom ?
No, sub, but thank you for asking
Took me a minute to recall Fast and the Furious said that.
familia es todo
La*
ah yes, of course.
You can have any beer you want, as long as it’s a Corona
Even the ones that got out largely became estranged having been scattered all over the planet. I hear that a lot of Jewish Americans are seriously discussing where to go next if fascism continue to rise here too.
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They could be tolerated if they only wanted to exterminate people? It’s the memories that mean they’ve gone to far?
More to this story.
Anna Freud was Secretary to the International Psychoanalytical Association -- a professional association for psychoanalysts that's still operating today.
The Gestapo interrogated her for 12-hours about this association, because they believed psychoanalysis was part of a Jewish conspiracy.
They didn't know that Anna was ready to commit suicide using Barbital had the Gestapo tortured or imprisoned her, rather than compromising others. Anna and her brother Martin had secretly obtained the Barbital from their family physician, Dr. Max Schur.
Sigmund Freud, fearing the worst, broke down after Anna was released. He went to the British consulate and requested passage for 16 members of his family and close friends -- including Dr. Schur.
They were all able to escape to London in 1938, but the story doesn't end there.
Sigmund Freud was suffering from cancer and within months of escaping the Nazis, his condition deteriorated sharply.
In severe pain with no hope for recovery, he went to Dr. Schur to end it all. With Anna's consent, Max Shur administered high doses of morphine. Sigmund Freud passed away a short time later, in September 1939, from the euthanasia.
Holocaust deniers can fuck right off.
They fucking pain me. My family hasn’t recovered in the decades since. We are small in number. Why can’t I visit a distant cousin in Poland? Oh wait, their would-be great grandparents/grandparents were all fucking murdered… thank god my direct ancestors decided the pogroms were enough and came to the US.
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Jesus that's a disgusting thing to say.
If you talk to those people missing their families from other wars and genocides, you will generally find that they too miss their families. The reason you’re “constantly” hearing about this one is because it had so many fucking casualties so recently that people are, in fact…still missing their families.
I’m so sorry you’ve been inconvenienced by the wholesale slaughter of my people 80 years ago, you knob.
Nobody asked
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Yeah recently been seeing quite a few on social media, the lack of respect really pisses me off, those were real people who suffered immensely and people find it in themselves to be such assholes as to deny that
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I’d recommend to anyone who’s interested into learning more about bernays and Freud check out Adam Curtis’ The Century of the Self doc series. So good
Bernays was a genius in advertising/marketing!
He referred to people as mindless cattle who deserved to be exploited.
one can be both - a genius and an asshole.
isn't it the responsibility of the individual to be alert and concious, to guard themselves.
Fuck off. It's the responsibility of the individual not to be an asshole.
No. It is the responsibility of the individual to not lie to and exploit others. Being lied to and exploited isn't a moral failing on the parts of those having harm done to them
Where? When?
I thought Freud escaped to UK and only visited US much later?
There is a great History Unplugged podcast episode about Freud and the Nazis. I highly recommend it. Here it is
It goes to show you how lucky Freud was to escape. It was ultimately his friends and family that saved him.
Freud only went to the US once in 1909 and it was nothing to do with his nephew.
You're right. I need to go back and do some better research apparently.
Most of what I know about Frued is in relation to his nephew. Thanks for the correction
He gave them the old Freudian slip out the country.
You win one internet
Survival of the fittest!
So, he wanted to screw the motherland.
Sometimes fleeing for your life is just fleeing for your life.
I think it was an awkward Oedipal joke
I followed. Mine was a similarly awkward reference to “Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.” for good measure.
Lol check his death date. He didnt get far
The original Freudian slip
I think Germany was referred to as the fatherland.
Wooosh
My brain will never not read Austria as Australia the first time I read a sentence with it in it. Then I'll realize that it makes no sense and I'll reread it correctly.
What the history books won't tell you was how evil and anti-Semitic the Emu's were
Well did Anna go with him?
In Ukraine it is the same. People need money to buy safe passage across the border unless they have EU passports for example and the police is checking up men during night time, well sorta curfew. Problem is border control won't let them out of the country if they are eligible for service in the front lines. I don't judge I just find it quite tragic.
I always associated Freud with the 1800s. I wouldn't have thought he was still alive that late!
Pablo Picasso died in 1973.
Pablo Picasshole died old. He truly was an AH.
Here is the deal, he stuck around for years when his other colleagues had fled. So analyzing that he wasn’t very smart.
DID HE GET HER OUT TOO????
yes, Anna lived until 1982 and enjoyed a long distinguished career
Anna herself would later go on to follow her in her father’s footsteps and become a psychologist in psychoanalytic theory. She developed a lot of techniques to treat children.
TIL Sigmund Freud was a Jew
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Reminds me a bit of Last Train to Munich
So he left his daughter?
And he died from cancer in London a few time after that...
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Go fuck yourself.
He could have had Bill & Ted drop them off somewhere for free.
And that man's name...?
Albert Einstein...
Oh. Wait...
Barkalow t1_j1p9b00 wrote
If the table I came across is correct:
31k RM -> ~$15.2k in 1938
1938 ~$15.2k -> ~$319k 2022