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ExtremePrivilege t1_j1yec1g wrote

Men engage in riskier behaviors than women do. Men work in jobs that are more dangerous and die significantly more often at work. Although women appear to attempt suicide more often than men, men succeed wildly more often than women do. One of the strongest indicators of early mortality is loneliness and men tend to have worse social support structures than women (or even none at all). Men are more often the victims or murder and die more often in car accidents. Men are less likely to interact with preventative medical procedures including colonoscopies. Men are less likely to seek medical attention period.

Just off the top of my head. In short, hormones make us riskier, society treats us as disposable and we often go through life isolated and distrustful of institutions. Bleak.

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Adam-West t1_j1yggjb wrote

Also im sure that even if you survive the dangerous jobs, working manually your whole life and having screwed up joints must have an impact on your mental health and therefore exacerbate physical problems.

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Yudereepkb t1_j1yynxb wrote

Also makes it difficult to keep active and mobile in old age

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sleepykittypur t1_j1za9de wrote

And chronic illness from decades of chemical exposure. Don't see many retired oil and gas workers.

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BitchStewie_ t1_j215hpd wrote

Just working more than 40 hours a week leads to an increase in rates of non-communicable disease like heart disease, stroke or hypertension.

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chrisphoenix08 t1_j1z47i1 wrote

>Social Support

This. Men most likely won't seek emotional comfort on what they're going through, which may lead to depression, mental illness to suicide.

It's hard to show emotion if you're a man, when people see it as weakness, unmanliness (gay, LOL), or just completely disregard it.

Sometimes I envy women, wherein they can confide with their friends with these kinds of situations.

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Some_Gun_Nut t1_j1zau78 wrote

I can confide in friends all I want, that doesn't change the disposability or isolation aspect in my experience.

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ATownStomp t1_j1zwx2f wrote

Same. Talking about issues doesn’t change much. It’s nice to have some solidarity but, depending on what the problem is, it might not really matter.

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chrisphoenix08 t1_j21agxf wrote

Well, really good for you. I do confide with my cousins when we're drinking, and it's certainly liberating even just for a bit, unlike before wherein I just bottled it up, and if it was too much, I thought of suicidal thoughts or kept beating myself up.... Or masturbation, hahahahaha, kidding...

I don't have money for psychiatric help, living in a 3rd World Country; and I know friends/family/romantic relations are not a substitute for this, but to vent out your frustrations and other negative thoughts to someone, at least for me, lessens that emotional baggage.

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Poggse t1_j1za19d wrote

I envy women every day of my life. I know so many that never had to work. Just get married and life is on autopilot

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JarifSA t1_j1zv16p wrote

Surprised this got downvoted. In many cultures it's common to be an educated women yet get married and take like 3-4 years off work even though they have strong degrees. I definitely don't envy being a women like you said though. I'd rather not have to walk around scared of the other gender.

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Poggse t1_j1zv99z wrote

As a white man, I'm scared to walk around the same places women are scared to walk around.

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JarifSA t1_j1zwaf2 wrote

Yes but there are definitely places a man can feel safe that a women can't. Such as bars literally in public. Or in a crowded train.

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girraween t1_j225h9f wrote

> Yes but there are definitely places a man can feel safe that a women can’t. Such as bars literally in public. Or in a crowded train.

Really? Ever thought to ask what a man feels like in such places?

I don’t feel safe in those places. As a guy, I’m more likely to get attacked in those places.

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tim-fawks t1_j208eif wrote

Not really men are much more likely to be murdered than woman most men just aren’t thinking about it all the time.

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marmorset t1_j20j1ed wrote

Men are more likely to be murdered because men are more likely to be in confrontations and men are more likely to engage in crime.

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tim-fawks t1_j20km07 wrote

Damn bro dude I replied to said men are safe I said they are not and here you are moving goal post just making men in general the bad guy. How about learning to read before you talk.

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luckleberries t1_j20p14k wrote

They were just explaining why men are more likely to get murdered.. they're not moving the goal posts. They're agreeing with you. How about learning to read before you talk.

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tim-fawks t1_j20p8z6 wrote

Alright let’s take that same energy and apply it to black people we shouldn’t care that black people are killed because black people cause the most crime … see how fucking dumb your arguments are?

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luckleberries t1_j20pp03 wrote

No idea what you're talking about... not even sure why you're so upset.

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tim-fawks t1_j20pywi wrote

They are dismissing men being murdered because they are murdered by other men and you are backing them up. If you don’t know what’s going on then just stay out of it

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luckleberries t1_j20q43b wrote

They weren't dismissing it, they were just explaining why men are more likely to get murdered. You're the one throwing on the assumption that we don't care that men are getting murdered.

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Poggse t1_j1zxipg wrote

Sure but not even close to the majority. An average white woman in the US that gets married lives a much easier life than average anyone else in the world.

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gameshowmatt t1_j2021j8 wrote

I used to follow similar thought processes and one detail that broke the outlook is a reminder that you are describing a specific minority of the gender. Yes, beautiful people of all genders have it easier and sure, I would agree that beautiful women have a whole different set of rules as long as they maintain that beauty.

But thought exercise: when you say these sweeping generalizations try to imagine it applying to an unattractive woman and you know the logic breaks down.

So we need to be sure to not judge based on the most successful unit in a sample size - with both genders. All women are manipulative house pets with an easy life no more than all men are predatory rape-machines just waiting to be triggered by exposed skin. These are outliers. Not defaults.

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Poggse t1_j202arb wrote

Except plenty of ugly or average looking women marry and have more comfortable lives because of their marriage.

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gameshowmatt t1_j2034qz wrote

I'm afraid I don't agree that this is limited to a gender.

If all someone wants is to get married and they are willing to ignore everything else it's not hard to find. Man, woman, or anything in between.

It just won't look like the pornos.

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Poggse t1_j203qh3 wrote

I'm sure some men lead more comfortable lives because they got married, but I'm sure they're a very small minority of all married men. Most married men have to work longer hours, support wife and kids, split all chores, etc. That's just the reality of the situation whether people find it off-putting or not.

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chemguy216 t1_j1zz5x3 wrote

I say this with multiple underlying caveats, but there are social aspects of being gay that give me personal freedoms many straight men haven’t embraced. For the ones who associate certain healthy bonding and emotional development behaviors with being gay and effeminate, they have to deal with that baggage that I personally am not weighed down by.

They want to think of me as gay for knowing and continually learning how to take care of my mental health and foster meaningful, healthy relationships in ways that would likely benefit them? Well, I am gay, and I’m doing pretty well with my life both superficially and substantively.

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girraween t1_j225aci wrote

You can talk all you want but it’s not going to help if society doesn’t care for you.

And why would it want to empathise with a group that’s labelled oppressive and privileged.

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Ma3vis t1_j1ynjzw wrote

> society treats us as disposable and we often go through life isolated and distrustful of institutions

Wonder if these things are all correlated in some way?

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neuroticsmurf t1_j1zalp0 wrote

>Men engage in riskier behaviors than women do.

We even have a sub for that: r/WhyWomenLiveLonger.

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plumquat t1_j20sz3k wrote

The biggest health risk for men is heart failure. And men with higher T have increased risk for heart attack and stroke.

Very few men are roofers. Or deep sea fisherman, Most men work in an office or retail setting. Most jobs are not building the Hoover dam.

Twice as many men own guns. I'm emotionally intelligent enough to understand that I've been depressed before and probably shouldn't have easy access to a gun.

And media plays a role in loneliness. Masculinity is played for joining the military vets have a high suicide rate from gun death. My uncle.

Masculinity is also played for adjusting identity to political party. It has self isolating messaging to make men more available to consume more propaganda. It sort of subverts group identity. It's more efficient if there's less people to bounce it off of.

And then our technology is isolating us. In the 90's everyone knew each other. We walked around outside. And we had meeting places where our friends were.

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LimestoneDust t1_j1zigx4 wrote

>society treats us as disposable

From the biological perspective, we are.

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seamustheseagull t1_j20hpbf wrote

There's also a plausible hypothesis that there's a selection bias in effect when it comes to robustness in women.

The balance of births in a normal population ever so slightly favours men. That is, more boys are typically born than girls.

And when you control for all other factors, it turns out that pregnancies involving girls are slightly more likely to result in complications resulting in foetal death or spontaneous abortion. We don't know why.

What does this have to do with life expectancy? Well if girls have a tougher time getting through gestation, then that's an evolutionary selection pressure. Girls need a little "something" extra to survive the process than boys do.

As a result, the hypothesis suggests, born females have a biology which makes them slightly more resilient than born males. This makes little difference through most of life, but as you approach the end of life and the great longevity filter, those who are more robust will survive longer. Which happens to be women. Resulting in these huge demographic disparities when you get to the extreme ages.

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Crowbarmagic t1_j21tsk1 wrote

Also, it seems young men tend to do more stupid reckless shit in general I suppose. Not that young women don't do stupid shit but less often the potentially fatal kind of stupid.

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CaptainSupreme t1_j224pow wrote

We should also evaluate the impact that women's behaviors have on men. Being the bread winner of a family and being constantly nagged surely has adverse effects on men's health

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Mary_Pick_A_Ford t1_j22zvbz wrote

Oh poor you. We treat men so badly more than women. They have it so much worse than women. Let's all take pity on them since they have no advantages in society.

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SerifGrey t1_j20wz0b wrote

also most of that behaviour is driven because “pussy” and “gotta impress the pussy” because as selective behavioural traits women like that behaviour in the mates they select, it is also a learned behaviour in both societal and interpersonal relationships aspects.

Essentially, men die for pussy, in most facets of life, subconsciously and consciously. We are slaves to vagina, it’s just expressed in such nuanced and complicated ways, than our non city dwelling ancestors had to deal with.

I say this because women are given more power now than in the past which also creates a way more black and white playing field for your average man.

It’s truly fascinating to learn about via societal behaviour and life experience.

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yoobi40 t1_j1zg7cu wrote

Nitpicking here, but a colonoscopy isn't a preventative procedure. Things like exercise and eating healthy are preventative. Colonscopy is a screening procedure trying to find (early) an existing cancer. I guess you could argue that it may prevent an early stage cancer from becoming a late-stage one. But that's different from preventative in the sense of preventing cancer in the first place (such as by not smoking), or using vaccinations to prevent a virus from spreading.

Also, the evidence that colonoscopies are appropriate for general screening (as opposed to screening only high-risk individuals) is not good, which is why only the U.S. and Germany currently use them in this way. In fact, it's quite likely that colonoscopies do more harm than good when used for general screening.

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SoItWasYouAllAlong t1_j1yuqyk wrote

In a way, men carry the burden of supporting healthier lifestyle for women. And women carry the burden of living the hardest part of life without the support of a partner.

In the end it all pales before the injustice which is ageing...

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megazen t1_j1yyg7v wrote

Those are all valid reasons why the life expectancy is shorter for men.

>society treats us as disposable

This depends on what type of job, function they have in society.

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Lemonio t1_j1z3il9 wrote

Also I’m assuming most importantly is men probably somewhat more often eat like shit and don’t exercise?

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GamblingMan420 t1_j1zrv40 wrote

No that’s incorrect.

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Lemonio t1_j1zte30 wrote

If you google it 1 in 3 men in the US are overweight vs 1 in 4 women, so why is this incorrect?

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GamblingMan420 t1_j1ztot7 wrote

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db360.htm

Because a simplification of something like that is stupid. Also those numbers are incorrect.

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Lemonio t1_j1zvyog wrote

My numbers were for overweight

https://www.niddk.nih.gov/health-information/health-statistics/overweight-obesity Obesity is a different statistic

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GamblingMan420 t1_j1zwjr9 wrote

And obesity is what is much more statistically significant to health problems than being overweight. A great portion of professional and amateur male athletes are technically overweight. Basically none of them are obese. Obesity kills people, being overweight does not.

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Lemonio t1_j1zy88c wrote

Obesity has a bigger effect on risk of death, but being overweight increases risk of death as well

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GamblingMan420 t1_j1zywn6 wrote

You’re not wrong. However I still believe that curbing obesity is more important than curbing people that are overweight. BMI is a flawed measurement because it doesn’t account for muscle mass, therefor associating increased mortality with an overweight BMI is a flawed correlation; in my opinion. On the other hand, obesity is qualified by an excess of fat as well as exceedingly high BMIs. I know plenty of “skinny fat” people with more health problems than my friends that lift weights and would be considered overweight by BMI standards. This is anecdotal, but you can be overweight and healthier than a normal weight person. You cannot be obese and healthier than a normal weight person in almost all scenarios.

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normal-person-2022 t1_j20fa3b wrote

I suppose the question then, is why are men eating like shit and not exercising, and what are we doing to actively promote healthy eating and exercise to men?

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stefantalpalaru t1_j1z1cq1 wrote

> Just off the top of my head.

And it's all wrong, because all those factors do not make a dent in the life expectancy difference.

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