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Timbershoe t1_j5ixaf7 wrote

Reply to comment by bak3donh1gh in TIL that Titanic crewman Herbert Pitman made an attempt to row his lifeboat over to rescue people in the water, but was overruled by the other occupants of the boat, who were worried about people swarming them and duly complied. Pitman said that this haunted him throughout his life. by ChadExtra

You’re very confident that you know better than someone who has direct experience of Arctic water immersion.

But you don’t have any experience or knowledge. Just opinion.

It’s not a specific hypothetical. The Titanic did sink. Pitman, and many others, gave first hand accounts of the situation.

And some lifeboats did return to pick up survivors. It’s one of the reasons Pitman deeply regretted not returning. The passengers that had life jackets, or floating debris, survived for quite a lot longer than your 5min timeline.

But you’re more fond of your opinions that any actual experiences.

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bak3donh1gh t1_j5j2apz wrote

WHAT FUCKING 5 MINUTES TIMELINE ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?! Im talking about being in a boat that left the area and then coming back THATS NOT 5 FUCKING MINUTES! These are untrained socialites in the goddamn 1920's

So you went in controlled conditions into some Arctic water, wow, so impressive. Still haven't given me an approximate number for how long. Have you ever had hypothermia? In the water? Then I'd take your first-hand account.

And you just fucking admitted it! It was possible for them to go back and pick people up, without being swarmed by near frozen passengers.

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Timbershoe t1_j5ja7w9 wrote

I really should stop responding, as you’re clearly angry I don’t agree you’re any sort of expert.

>WHAT FUCKING 5 MINUTES TIMELINE ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?!

The 5 min you keep stating repeatedly.

>These are untrained socialites in the goddamn 1920's

No, the 1st class passengers were prioritised to lifeboats. The 2nd and 3rd class passengers were left in the water.

And human physiology hasn’t changed over the past 100 years.

>So you went in controlled conditions into some Arctic water, wow, so impressive.

It wasn’t controlled conditions. And it’s not so much impressive as direct personal experience. In fact, glacial run off water is 2 degrees colder than the open Arctic Ocean.

The key takeaway is I have more experience than you. Yet you continue to argue you’re the expert.

>Still haven't given me an approximate number for how long.

Depends. Up to 15min, I suppose.

>Have you ever had hypothermia? In the water?

No, I am not a fool. I’m not giving myself hypothermia in water just to find out what it feels like to die.

>Then I'd take your first-hand account.

Stop gatekeeping. Stop acting like you’re the expert here. That’s all I’m saying.

>And you just fucking admitted it! It was possible for them to go back and pick people up, without being swarmed by near frozen passengers.

I specifically said I had no opinion. It’s you that’s claiming the expert knowledge.

Read the accounts of the sinking, if you read the descriptions from the lifeboats, if you had any knowledge or experience at all I wouldn’t be calling you out.

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